Why the sideways fuck did they even have location data to begin with? It's like the checklist for buying a new car starts with figuring out what circuit drives the cell modem and pop that fuse out before taking a test drive to confirm it doesn't brick anything critical. Fucking ridiculous.
VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
More like automated ticketing for speeding.
I’d love to see that implemented, yes, but it would be even better if all cars' speed were automatically limited to the speed limit of each road.
Knowing exactly which lane you're in and the actual speed limit of that particular lane can be tricky for an automated system, at least in any of the systems I've seen implemented.
I've had cars with both automated speed limit sign readers, GPS+map databases, and more show me two different speed limits and neither one was actually correct for the lane I was in. This is a somewhat common occurrence on the highways around me.
Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles
#43Hey EU, maybe mandate an opt out for all vehicle telemetry? Then maybe the rest of the world will follow suit. I know, I know, I am kidding myself.
Opt in you mean, like the cookie banners? Oh no that'll never happen because VW are a European company and the money is in fining US tech companies!
VW paid "$14.7 billion to settle civil charges in the United States" and was ordered "to pay a $2.8 billion criminal fine for 'rigging diesel-powered vehicles to cheat on government emissions tests'."
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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
More like automated ticketing for speeding.
I’d love to see that implemented, yes, but it would be even better if all cars' speed were automatically limited to the speed limit of each road.
That would risk unintended consequences. For example, suddenly slowing cars on the highway down to 30 kph because a small road with that speed limit runs right next to the highway.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
More like automated ticketing for speeding.
I’d love to see that implemented, yes, but it would be even better if all cars' speed were automatically limited to the speed limit of each road.
As long as it’s accurate. The current technical implementation is a joke. The car has no idea what the speed limit is.
A few examples:
1) drive past the end of town sign in a particular German town, the car thinks it is 30kph, but only during the day because at night it doesn’t see the sign so it thinks it’s 50 where in reality it’s a 100 until the next speed limit,
2) driving between a couple of roundabouts inside of a town in the Netherlands, the car thinks it’s 30kph even though we stay within city limits and there’s no sign so the speed limit remains 50kph,
3) this is the funniest one so far… driving in Antwerpen along the Turhoutsebaan, there’s a massive 30 sign painted on a red painted road surface, the car insists that the speed limit is 50kph.
Those are just three out of a dozen examples happening consistently within 30 square kilometres I normally remain within. And I drive this car for 2.5 weeks. I have seen the future and I don’t like it. Number 2) happens routinely inside of the city limits after right or left turn. Car drops the speed limit to 30 just to realise a 100m down the road that it is 50.
Apologies for the ad hominem, I normally stay away from such tone. I genuinely hope that such pseudo cops like you get a grip. Because it’s my life you’re talking about and I already use speed limiter routinely. Every idiot around me on the road has exactly the same choice as me: curb the ego down and slow down or behave like a douche.
> but it would be even better if all cars' speed were automatically limited to the speed limit of each road
Yeah, you just described the ISA of 2027. This is going to be a tough year for car manufacturers. I forecast a ton of unsold new cars remaining on parking lots because one has to be really technically illiterate to buy something so dangerous willingly. Either full self driving or give full control. Everything in between is a disaster waiting to happen.
By the way, here’s a funny thought. So what is going to happen when that mythical zero casualties is reached and more people will be dying on bicycles than in car accidents? An implant in the brain? Where does it stop?
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#47Hey EU, maybe mandate an opt out for all vehicle telemetry? Then maybe the rest of the world will follow suit. I know, I know, I am kidding myself.
It's opt-out on my Renault Megane e-Tech. It was a very clear prompt during initial setup, and it shows me a very unambiguous notification that it's enabled every time I start the car. If I click on that it takes me to the setting. edit: might even have been opt-in during initial setup, now that I think about it. I do recall it being a very deliberate thing during setup. Of course I'll have to trust that turning it o…
Apple knows how to allow one to find one’s devices without Apple knowing where they are. It’s not that hard.
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#48EVs are topping the list of (imho) useless extras in cars. I'm still cherishing my Honda Fit pre-touchscreen edition. I'm going to drive it until it will fall apart. My next car will be an EV but I have yet to find one that still comes with mechanical features (door handles, knobs/buttons), without a whole battery of surveillance/telemetry tech and (crossing fingers) exchangable batteries. Simple electric propulsion…
I just bought a used 2023 Nissan Leaf.
Fully EV, real buttons and knobs, and of course the model is cancelled.
The original tracking was 2G cellular, later updated to 3G cellular. 2G is long depricated, and 3G is already shutdown in many places.
This is a great car! Which explains why it's no longer available. It doesn't meet modern american needs, like being at least as large as a small building, or having 0 visibility over the hood, or costing at least $75K. (p.s. I paid $15K for mine, with 18K miles on the odometer and 150 miles of battery range)
But if you're into retro, like buttons and knobs, I highly recommend it...
p.s. I have to wonder if the data breach doesn't affect ICE cars as well? Would they use a separate surveilance system?
Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's opt-out on my Renault Megane e-Tech. It was a very clear prompt during initial setup, and it shows me a very unambiguous notification that it's enabled every time I start the car. If I click on that it takes me to the setting. edit: might even have been opt-in during initial setup, now that I think about it. I do recall it being a very deliberate thing during setup. Of course I'll have to trust that turning it o…
Apple knows how to allow one to find one’s devices without Apple knowing where they are. It’s not that hard.
Ackhually, it is that hard, unless your method relies on millions of your devices out in the wild acting as sensors in a mesh network, as Apple does.
Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles
#50Hey EU, maybe mandate an opt out for all vehicle telemetry? Then maybe the rest of the world will follow suit. I know, I know, I am kidding myself.
It's opt-out on my Renault Megane e-Tech. It was a very clear prompt during initial setup, and it shows me a very unambiguous notification that it's enabled every time I start the car. If I click on that it takes me to the setting. edit: might even have been opt-in during initial setup, now that I think about it. I do recall it being a very deliberate thing during setup. Of course I'll have to trust that turning it o…
The opt-out should be pulling the telematics fuse. Unless you can audit the source code, you can't, and shouldn't, trust the software.