They have not been trained for this
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#2I remember this story of “hackers” discovering that the train company disabled trains being serviced by competitors.
It’s a shame they are being sued.
Hopefully, they raise enough to do painful and invasive discovery.
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#3Previous discussion, when it was first discovered - I am surprised there wasn't more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38893116
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#4I just donated 133,7€ and will gladly do it again if further legal costs arise. Please consider also making a generous donation and post about it in this thread.
What Newag is doing here is absolutely vile. They want to charge 20.000€ per train to “reactivate” them after they have been serviced at third party workshops. We must not let them win and set a precedent.
I highly encourage everyone to watch the previous presentation: https://media.ccc.de/v/37c3-12142-breaking_drm_in_polish_tra...
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#5Previous discussion, when it was first discovered - I am surprised there wasn't more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38893116
There is way more (see first comment)
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#6Previous discussion, when it was first discovered - I am surprised there wasn't more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38893116
There was much, much more discussion here, e.g:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530885
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38567687
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38628635
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38788360
& more
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#8Is no one suing the manufacturer for vandalizing the trains?
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#9Is no one suing the manufacturer for vandalizing the trains?
> It was also revealed that the Polish Internal Security Agency (ABW) had, in October 2022, submitted a case against Newag regarding the abovementioned software manipulation incidents to the prosecutor's office in Nowy Sącz, which initially downplayed the incident until said findings publicly came to light, after which, the investigation was taken over by the regional prosecutor's office in Kraków on suspicion of crimes committed under Article 269 §1 and Article 286 §1 of the Polish Penal Code.
> The Sejm's [Sejm is "the lower house of the bicameral parliament of Poland"] Parliamentary Committee for Combating Transport Exclusion subsequently convened three hearings regarding the abovementioned allegations on 17 January, 27 February and 26 March 2024, whose participants included representatives of the Dragon Sector team, Newag, railway operators and members of the Sejm.[19]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newag#2023_revelation_of_softw...
I could not find any later updates in polish media.
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#10Looks like train manufacturers are taking a page out of the playbooks of many other companies today. The practice of manufacturers remotely disabling products after the time of purchase (for whatever reason) is becoming a scourge in many other product areas. The device's manufacturer should have no say about how a product is used once money is handed over in exchange for it. This really has to stop. Regulatory agencies around the world are asleep to this problem.