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Why OpenAI's Structure Must Evolve to Advance Our Mission

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Re: Why OpenAI's Structure Must Evolve to Advance Our Mission

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Post by ksynwa »

keiferski wrote: post #9

Maybe I’m missing it in this article or elsewhere on the website, but how exactly is OpenAI’s vision of making AGI going to “benefit humanity as as a whole”? I’m not asking to be snarky or imply any hidden meaning…I just don’t see how they plan on getting from A to B. From this recent press release the answer seems to be: make ChatGPT really good and offer it for free to people to use. Which is a reasonable answer, I…

I'm woefully uneducated but I think it's a red herring. It does not matter what their vision of AGI is if they are just going to be peddling LLMs as a service to customers.

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Post by sobellian »

jefftk wrote: post #50
az226 wrote: post #12

“Our plan is to transform our existing for-profit into a Delaware Public Benefit Corporation (PBC) with ordinary shares of stock…The non-profit’s significant interest in the existing for-profit would take the form of shares in the PBC at a fair valuation determined by independent financial advisors.” The details here matter and is bs. What should take place is this, OpenAI creates a new for profit entity (PBC, or wha…

> Elon Musk strong claim to get a significant portion of the equity owned by the non-profit, given his sizable investment when a contemporaneous valuation of the company would have been small Sorry, what's the path to this? Musk's 'investment' was in the form of a donation, which means he legally has no more claim to the value of the nonprofit than anyone else.

So there's really no legal recourse if a 501c3 markets itself as a research institute / OSS developer, collects $130MM, and then uses those donations to seed a venture-backed company with closed IP in which the donors get no equity? One that even competes with some of the donors?

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Post by entropi »

I am not familiar with the US law, but I don't really understand how is the whole "start as a nonprofit, become a for profit once your product turns out to be profitable" thing legal. It looks like a complete scam to me. And while I don't like Elon at all, I think he and other earlier donors have a very strong case here.

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Post by depr »

vonneumannstan wrote: post #98

Sam Altman is evil fullstop. He is a pure machiavellian villain. His goal is to the most powerful person on the planet. The future cannot be controlled by him or other autistic human successionists.

I agree wrt to his goal but there is no way he is autistic, and what's a human successionist?

Re: Why OpenAI's Structure Must Evolve to Advance Our Mission

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Post by [deleted] »

soared wrote: post #27
rasengan wrote: post #11

While there are issues that Mr. Musk must address, I don’t think this is one of them. Demonizing someone who helped you is an awful thing to do. If he gave 1/3 of the initial funding, he helped a lot.

This article very briefly mentions his name in relation to funding but does not demonize him or ask him to address issues?

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Re: Why OpenAI's Structure Must Evolve to Advance Our Mission

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Post by willvarfar »

portaouflop wrote: post #119
vonneumannstan wrote: post #98

Sam Altman is evil fullstop. He is a pure machiavellian villain. His goal is to the most powerful person on the planet. The future cannot be controlled by him or other autistic human successionists.

Who is the most powerful person on the planet at the moment?

The popular narrative is that it is Musk, who both seems to be able to influence government policy and who has had a very public falling out with OpenAI...

Re: Why OpenAI's Structure Must Evolve to Advance Our Mission

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Post by DSingularity »

voidfunc wrote: post #107
chis wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think often company spin like this is more targeted towards internal employees than the outside world. Employees on the inside are always going to have a decent percentage of “true believers” who have cognitive dissonance if they don’t believe they’re making the world better. And so companies need to provide a narrative to keep that type of employee happy.

This. Stuff like mission statements and that kind of crap is for these type of employees who need to delude themselves that they're not just part of a profit making exercise or manufacturing weapons to suppress minorities / kill brown people. Every company has one.

I feel that Gaza has shown us that there aren’t as many of these types of employees as we think.

Most people don’t care.

OpenAI is doing this show because if they don’t they are more vulnerable to law-suits. They need to manufacture a narrative without this exact structure they cannot fulfill their original mission.

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Post by aithrowawaycomm »

ethbr1 wrote: post #42

>> and we raised donations in various forms including cash ($137M, less than a third of which was from Elon) The amount of trashy pique in OpenAI PR against Elon specifically is hilarious. I'm no fan of the way either has behaved, but jesus, can't even skip an opportunity to slight him in an unrelated announcement?

20 years of social media has turns you into a petty teenager. This stuff reeks of Sam Altman having uncontested power and being able to write whatever dumb shit he wants on openai.com. But it's not just OpenAI, Microsoft is also stunningly childish, and I think professionalism in corporate communications has basically collapsed across the board.

Re: Why OpenAI's Structure Must Evolve to Advance Our Mission

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Post by rasengan »

soared wrote: post #27
rasengan wrote: post #11

While there are issues that Mr. Musk must address, I don’t think this is one of them. Demonizing someone who helped you is an awful thing to do. If he gave 1/3 of the initial funding, he helped a lot.

This article very briefly mentions his name in relation to funding but does not demonize him or ask him to address issues?

He has been living rent free in their heads, mouths and on their blogs for quite some time.

Unfortunately, it’s been in a quite negative tone.

If all of this is really for humanity — then humanity needs to shape up, get along and do this together.

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Post by bigfishrunning »

portaouflop wrote: post #119
vonneumannstan wrote: post #98

Sam Altman is evil fullstop. He is a pure machiavellian villain. His goal is to the most powerful person on the planet. The future cannot be controlled by him or other autistic human successionists.

Who is the most powerful person on the planet at the moment?

Weirdly, it's Jake Paul. He beat Mike Tyson!
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