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Re: Ask HN: How to write a business plan for an Internet startup?

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While I realize much of the capitalist world still operates this way, I'd be hesitant about anyone who asked for a business plan. While a business plan isn't entirely a waste of time, there's just so much of it dedicated to pulling meaningless numbers out of your ass as to be an exercise in futility, and it gives them something to be pissed at you about later if you miss your fictional quotas. And if I even heard the…

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We talked to about 20 investing entities (maybe 5 or 6 VC firms, a mess of angels, and a few angel groups). Exactly 1 asked for a business plan and they were the lowest quality entity with the least success/experience.

Fred Wilson (one of the top consumer VCs in the world) said that 17 out of 26 of his "successful" investments (with exits) utterly changed their business model between investment and exit. In other words, a business plan has a roughly 60% chance of being obsolete.

Planning is good. You should rough out some numbers. Build a spreadsheet or two. If it's ad supported, get a sense of CPMs in your market and try to figure out how many ad views you'd need to support a real business. If it's a B2B offering, rough out what you can charge, investigate low cost distribution angles (SEO, SEM, etc). In short, prove to yourself (and others) that your business has some legs to stand on.

Write this down in an executive summary and be able to talk about it in some more detail... But writing a formal business plan? Chances are you don't know what business you're really in yet. And if you think you do, there are pretty good odds that you're wrong.

Of course, if you have a mature startup (a year or two old, a pile of customers), then some more structured planning might be appropriate.

Re: Ask HN: How to write a business plan for an Internet startup?

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Instead of writing a full-on business plan, which is a huge waste of time, consider coming back to them with a set of spreadsheets. I've had to do business planning work for products I managed, and what the CEOs wanted was Excel. You might look more professional for not coming to them with a three-ring binder.

With that said, and with the huge caveat that while I've done this before, my advice might not be the current hotness:

(.) You need a table for revenue growth, quarter by quarter, in your case probably based on users and conversion rate scenarios.

(.) You might consider a seperate table for pricing; of all the things you write in the plan, pricing is the most likely to change, but do a couple scenarios, keep conversion/close rate in mind.

(.) If it makes sense for your product, segment the market and get that in a table; you might do, "home office", "small business", "enterprise", and have a pricing/phase-1/phase-2 revenue scenario for each model customer based on your pricing. Include a SWAG total addressable market size (there are, say, 2000-4000 "enterprises" to sell to).

(.) You can do a schedule table, quarter by quarter, and use it to set a conversion rate for each market segment, to chart featuresets in your product, when they'll be released, and what releasing them will do to your cash flow.

(.) If you have significant marketing expenses, break them down into line items quarter by quarter, showing some things kicking in later. You can break this down by outreach mechanism (direct mail, blogging, AdWords, research).

(.) You need a table for headcount; we just SWAG a common (somewhat lowball) fully loaded cost for everyone from management to QA; remember fully loaded adds (say) 30% for taxes, health insurance, and equipment/office/overhead.

(.) You need a table for all your expenses, quarter by quarter, which should include headcount, a line item for hosting/bandwidth/server/etc, marketing,

(.) I'm probably missing something, but with all that, you should be able to do a final seperate sheet, call it "use of proceeds", broken down by engineering, opex (hosting etc), sales, and administrative costs, quarter by quarter, against revenue.

Of all the things you "plan" now, pricing is the most likely to change, so don't get too hung up.

Lowball your headcount. Don't include anything you could reasonably outsource (like accounting, HR, graphic design).

Do you want to take a salary? What I think is, lots and lots of people pitch investors saying they'll forego salary; it's a cliche. You might look more serious if you're up front.

This is all going to sound over the top, and that's because it is, but on the other hand you're not going to do any of these things (price a product, figure out how many people to hire next month, allocate dollars to anything but AdWords) without these spreadsheets. A bunch of this stuff is optional (don't do a marketing plan if your marketing plan isn't crucial; maybe don't do a product schedule if long term product vision isn't a huge part of your pitch --- the schedule will embarass you 2 months from now).

Re: Ask HN: How to write a business plan for an Internet startup?

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Business plan is the biggest piece of bull crap. You should know your business or do whatever it takes to learn it and persist - that is the only thing that is required and a smart investor will get that and ask the right questions.

Still, write it if you think that it will get you the money and then promptly discard it, or better still ask them to write it - obviously if they understand enough they should rely on their numbers more than anyone elses.

If they say that your business plan is not good enough, ask them to shove it up their sorry ass.

Re: Ask HN: How to write a business plan for an Internet startup?

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While I realize much of the capitalist world still operates this way, I'd be hesitant about anyone who asked for a business plan. While a business plan isn't entirely a waste of time, there's just so much of it dedicated to pulling meaningless numbers out of your ass as to be an exercise in futility, and it gives them something to be pissed at you about later if you miss your fictional quotas. And if I even heard the…

The purpose of a business plan is to show that you've given some thought to how you'll run and grow the business. Anyone who thinks that's an exercise in futility will have a hard time getting funding. If you have an idiot investor, sure they might be pissed at you because of missed quotas, but you can also use them to look at your cash flow. If miss my Q4 quota by 30%, does that cause me to go bankrupt in Q2 this ye…

Everyone has different experiences and needs, but I'll tell you my experience:

1) Most investors of internet startups don't ask to see a business plan. Maybe half want a short (1-2 page) narrative about the business-- an executive summary.

2) I've written formal business plans for two businesses in the past and they sat on the shelf collecting dust thereafter. In 6 months they were sorta obsolete. In 12 months they were freakin' hilariously wrong. New companies change to fast to do that much formal planning.

A good investor will recognize that. They won't ask for a business plan-- but they will ask a bunch of hard questions to make sure you've thought about the important issues.

Re: Ask HN: How to write a business plan for an Internet startup?

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Good business plans are tough. I was taught at Northwestern by a very successful entrepreneur how to build the presentation, business plan, and financial model. You need to cover the basics. Here's what my last one covered: - Executive Summary - Project Information - Company Description - Market and Industry Analysis - Marketing and Sales - Operations - Management - Capitalization and Structure - Development and Mile…

Has a 30 page business plan ever directly helped a company you worked on? I'm not challenging you, I'm genuinely interested.

Re: Ask HN: How to write a business plan for an Internet startup?

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I've written more business plans than I care to think about. This is my experience: 1) A business plan is a marketing document. Usually you are using it to sell your business to banks, investors or partners. You have to think of your audience when you write it. An investor likes to see projected revenues that are high and don't mind that there's a risk - banks are the other way around. 2) Don't use business plans as…

Do you have any stories about how any of those business plans helped companies you were working on? I'd love to hear some.

Re: Ask HN: How to write a business plan for an Internet startup?

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post #4

A related question, how much is a reasonable salary for a startup founder? Do investors usually assume the founders will be living in squalor, eating noodles and paying themselves nothing until profitability, or are investors usually open to founders that have existing financial commitments - family, mortgage etc. Probably varies massively, but I've often assumed that investment often requires you don't take a salary…

I have a lot of friends that are in or have been through A-round-funded startups, and I've been through several myself. All of them took market-rate salaries. I worked a year without salary to start a company in '99, but all three of us took market salaries (over my objection, which I'm now happy wasn't honored) when we closed the first round.

Re: Ask HN: How to write a business plan for an Internet startup?

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While I realize much of the capitalist world still operates this way, I'd be hesitant about anyone who asked for a business plan. While a business plan isn't entirely a waste of time, there's just so much of it dedicated to pulling meaningless numbers out of your ass as to be an exercise in futility, and it gives them something to be pissed at you about later if you miss your fictional quotas. And if I even heard the…

+1 We talked to about 20 investing entities (maybe 5 or 6 VC firms, a mess of angels, and a few angel groups). Exactly 1 asked for a business plan and they were the lowest quality entity with the least success/experience. Fred Wilson (one of the top consumer VCs in the world) said that 17 out of 26 of his "successful" investments (with exits) utterly changed their business model between investment and exit. In other…

What are the top 3 things you'd want to have handy in Excel when you sat down to a second meeting with a strong-sounding investor, webwright?

Re: Ask HN: How to write a business plan for an Internet startup?

#29

While I realize much of the capitalist world still operates this way, I'd be hesitant about anyone who asked for a business plan. While a business plan isn't entirely a waste of time, there's just so much of it dedicated to pulling meaningless numbers out of your ass as to be an exercise in futility, and it gives them something to be pissed at you about later if you miss your fictional quotas. And if I even heard the…

+1 We talked to about 20 investing entities (maybe 5 or 6 VC firms, a mess of angels, and a few angel groups). Exactly 1 asked for a business plan and they were the lowest quality entity with the least success/experience. Fred Wilson (one of the top consumer VCs in the world) said that 17 out of 26 of his "successful" investments (with exits) utterly changed their business model between investment and exit. In other…

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Re: Ask HN: How to write a business plan for an Internet startup?

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Your salary should be basic, covering your costs and giving you a bit of spending money. This assumes you're working full time for the startup. Remember that the bigger picture is equity. Some good tips here: http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2007/07/how-to-write-a-.html Whatever you do don't spend a month writing a 60 page document. Keep it short and sweet. Use lots of bullet points / bold highlighting to ease readability…

Do we believe Kawasaki on this one? He says, paraphrasing, "a pitch is a great communication tool, but no substitute for a plan", which he says you should write in 12 point type for people over 50. I feel like webwright at least would contradict this advice.
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