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Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software

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Re: Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software

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Post by bdhcuidbebe »

dammaj wrote: post #47
sourraspberry wrote: post #31

I've been using this for a couple of years on my home-server. It's an Obsidian knock-off. It's pretty janky and the documentation is lacking. It's open-source which is nice... But the company behind it is ??? I don't know. They are Chinese but I couldn't find much about them. I use it because I can self-host it, it has most of the features Obsidian has, and I can use it in a web-browser from anywhere - which is the b…

I assume you want to self host in order to sync locally, right? If that's the case, you can use Obsidian with git plugin and you get sync + versioning (all what git offers).

I use syncthing to sync my obsidian vault which is also a git repository between linux, mac and windows.

Works great!

Re: Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software

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Post by Confirm2754 »

oefrha wrote: post #36

The licensing is kind of strange. Self-hosted syncing is supposedly a paid feature, and there are indeed license checks in the code, but unlike your typical open core product with a separately licensed ee/ directory, this one including license checking code is entirely under AGPL, and FAQ specifically stresses “SiYuan is completely open source”. As such one can patch out the license check (literally a one line change…

You guessed it right, only CONVENIENCE of prebuilt images are sold, but due to Apple's developer account restrictions, it's actually better to use the official version if you don't want to spend $100 to build the ios version.

In addition, there are indeed two better-known, unofficial patches with paid restrictions removed, one is an experimental version by a third-party developer, which is submitted upstream after testing the functionality, at github.com/siyuan-community/siyuan, and the other is a patch that simply removes the paid functionality. It's at github.com/EightDoor/siyuan.

Also, there was actually a pr from a community developer to add digital certificates to ensure that unofficial packaged binaries wouldn't use the official cloud service, since the plugin bazaar uses the official cdn, which is actually not a small amount of traffic cost, but that pr was rejected.

Re: Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software

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Post by grepexdev »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #101
sourraspberry wrote: post #31

I've been using this for a couple of years on my home-server. It's an Obsidian knock-off. It's pretty janky and the documentation is lacking. It's open-source which is nice... But the company behind it is ??? I don't know. They are Chinese but I couldn't find much about them. I use it because I can self-host it, it has most of the features Obsidian has, and I can use it in a web-browser from anywhere - which is the b…

Logseq is floss(gnu license, closurescript) and almost perfect for me but it's totally mysterious to me what's stopping it from serving a web interface that serves files on the web server. It's an electron app with an HTTP API but for some reason the web demo only opens files clientside with filesystem API Anyway, one of these days I'll fork it and make it work for me. I also have a perverted desire to change the ser…

They are doing a rewrite of the app to have a SQLite DB storage for notes instead of markdown files. I think once that is released it will be available in a web browser. Currently in alpha testing, I access the application through the browser.

Re: Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software

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Post by cdaven »

sunshine-o wrote: post #56

Looks cool, but as I have been on this knowledge management / productivity journey like everybody. Here are my findings: If you are reasonably comfortable with computers / Unix. - You need to first rely on a directory structures, filenames, plaintext, lists and maybe markdown. Stick with a "File over app", Unix approach. - Try to sort things with universal concepts: locations, things, people, events, metrics, howtos.…

For backlinks, have a look at Andy Matuschak's note-link-janitor: https://github.com/andymatuschak/note-link-janitor/

I wrote my own version of it a few years ago, but have moved on, and currently use LogSeq instead: https://github.com/cdaven/noteexplorer

Re: Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software

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Post by v3ss0n »

sunshine-o wrote: post #56

Looks cool, but as I have been on this knowledge management / productivity journey like everybody. Here are my findings: If you are reasonably comfortable with computers / Unix. - You need to first rely on a directory structures, filenames, plaintext, lists and maybe markdown. Stick with a "File over app", Unix approach. - Try to sort things with universal concepts: locations, things, people, events, metrics, howtos.…

All falls Short when it comes to cross referencing, sub notes , rich capabilities.

Re: Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

sunshine-o wrote: post #56

Looks cool, but as I have been on this knowledge management / productivity journey like everybody. Here are my findings: If you are reasonably comfortable with computers / Unix. - You need to first rely on a directory structures, filenames, plaintext, lists and maybe markdown. Stick with a "File over app", Unix approach. - Try to sort things with universal concepts: locations, things, people, events, metrics, howtos.…

Great suggestions.

I'm quite happy with Obsidian on Linux, especially due to great plugin ecosystem.

Granted that it would have been great if the clients were open-source; but Obsidian is one of those non-FOSS apps which are so consumer oriented that they get an exception from me.

I sync the files from Obsidian using syncthing to Android & use Markor for editing. But this wouldn't be possible on iOS.

Re: Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software

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Post by v3ss0n »

rukshn wrote: post #51
hajimuz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They open sourced it and you can self hosted. I mean, does it even matter where they are from? Why it’s automatically suspicious when you know the authors are Chinese.

True the origin does not matter, but it would be better to have more transparency about the contributors even if it's an open source tool. Because you can still get injected with a malicious code when an update is pushed. But I agree we should not categorize according to geolocation, but more transparency would be better irrespective of the location in any project.

There is source code. Investigate it, don't be a lazy bum.

Re: Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software

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Post by gbraad »

Do not rely on the tooling; forced structure might work for some, but it never worked for me. I eventually settled on markdown and structure this myself. As sunshine-o also said, tooling around this can help to retrieve information, but it is not essential if you organize. but this is different for everybody.

I eventually started to use obsidian, but also nextcloud notes, quillpad and webdav to get access to my notes. I am happy, but it took a long time to get to something that worked.

this tool looks 'complicated'... as it needs an infrastructure to operate.

Re: Siyuan: Privacy-first, self-hosted personal knowledge management software

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Post by gbraad »

sourraspberry wrote: post #31

I've been using this for a couple of years on my home-server. It's an Obsidian knock-off. It's pretty janky and the documentation is lacking. It's open-source which is nice... But the company behind it is ??? I don't know. They are Chinese but I couldn't find much about them. I use it because I can self-host it, it has most of the features Obsidian has, and I can use it in a web-browser from anywhere - which is the b…

for web-browser access I host Obsidian with kasmvnc. It is not ideal for use on the phone, but from a tablet it works, and I can host it with Vivaldi in a webpanel for quick edits.
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