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The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by cyberax »

SllX wrote: post #79
cyberax wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually quite an interesting question. The West Coast of the contiguous US has almost no islands, you really start getting "islandy" only in the Puget Sound. The East Coast has more islands, but then you need to decide how you classify the river deltas. Is a bump in a brackish swamp an island or not? On the other hand, Sweden has thousands of really small but also well-defined islands. They can be just several…

California has more named islands than Washington, but they’re not all obvious since there’s quite a few small islands in the San Francisco Bay, Suisun Bay and the Sacramento River Delta. I tried fact checking which of the two had the most total islands between them but couldn’t find a satisfactory answer.

From a practical standpoint, sailing in the Bay Area is dead boring. There's not that much worth visiting. And once you go outside of the Bay, the next interesting stop is Japan. Puget Sound is way better.

It'd be nice to quantify this somehow. I guess one metric would be "navigable rocky islands"?

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by pastage »

pimeys wrote: post #99
yoavm wrote: post #93

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It's completely legal, yes. As a matter of fact, it's so legal that sometimes you ask yourself why own land there, since technically you can even camp on private land thanks to allemansrätten.

With one caveat: you can't be too close to any houses with your camp. I don't remember how far, but at least they should not be able to see you from their window...

Respect is the actual legal definition.... There is no legal distance and it depends and you need to respect peoples privacy. You can definitely camp where you can be seen, but if you can not be seen you are almost certainly in the clear.

It is a tricky subject because you can do a lot on other peoples land as long as you are respectful. I have no problems with people camping on my land especially when they are walking or cycling while car camping is illegal in most instances.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by rrjahg »

pimeys wrote: post #82

A good timing for this article, because today there was again somebody breaking the cables between Finland and Estonia. https://yle.fi/a/74-20133531

"One also running from Helsinki to Tallinn is owned by the Chinese-owned CITIC Telecom."

Has Sikorski made a "thank you" tweet to any suspected party?

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by sema4hacker »

sema4hacker wrote: post #104

I looked at submarinecablemap.com and there are 4 cables going from Helsinki Findland to Tallinn Estonia. Is that just for redundancy? I would think it's expensive to add more cables between two points when so many other locations are a dead end.

Then I noticed a single cable from Freeport Texas to Pascagoula Mississippi which seemed surprising, but then visiting the website for the tampnet.com owners of that cable reveals a map showing all kinds of offshoots of wireless coverage (I'm guessing to oil platforms), so what looks like a single cable on the map can often be the root of a wide tree of access.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by mistrial9 »

cyberax wrote: post #101
SllX wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California has more named islands than Washington, but they’re not all obvious since there’s quite a few small islands in the San Francisco Bay, Suisun Bay and the Sacramento River Delta. I tried fact checking which of the two had the most total islands between them but couldn’t find a satisfactory answer.

From a practical standpoint, sailing in the Bay Area is dead boring. There's not that much worth visiting. And once you go outside of the Bay, the next interesting stop is Japan. Puget Sound is way better. It'd be nice to quantify this somehow. I guess one metric would be "navigable rocky islands"?

you have got to be joking or else wildly uninformed. SF Bay Area sailing is known across the world. There are international races here.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by yencabulator »

ionwake wrote: post #90
yoavm wrote: post #25

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If you've never visited the Stockholm archipelago, I highly recommend it. In fact, I think it's perhaps the best thing about Stockholm, and one of the most beautiful places in the world in general — if you're into sailing, islands and seas. It's almost too easy to find an island just for yourself for the weekend, and "Allemansrätten", the law that grants people the right to access wilderness, only makes it even more…

Is it legal to camp overnight on them? I’m from Europe and when I saw the islands on the ferry to Helsinki’s from Stockholm I have to say I was amazed at the beauty so much so I’d love own property there now. Truly astonishing seeing kids on tiny row boats chilling on random rocks in the estuary

Others mentioned not being too close to any houses. The second part is, you are not allowed to damage anything. Leave it as you found it. No trash, no damaging plant life, and so on. Also, exact rules differ from country to country, but generally the Nordics follow "everyman's rights" something like this:

You cannot make a campfire, drive off-road, damage agricultural fields, cut down trees or damage trees (even the already fallen ones), go into pastures with cattle in them, and so on. Rule of thumb, don't bother the landowner, don't damage anything, and don't disrupt any of their income sources, including logging, fishing, agriculture etc. You can camp but if you want a campfire I suggest going to one of the designated camping areas; there's plenty of those too, even completely free log lean-tos and benches around a firepit and even free firewood hauled in, if you go remote enough.

And then there's protected areas, with stricter rules. For example, if a rare bird is known to nest on some specific island, you might not be allowed to go on that island at all.

But yes, if you're smart about it, you can camp almost anywhere.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by eesmith »

sandworm101 wrote: post #98
eesmith wrote: post #27

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Do they use the same methods to define "island"? The section for Australia seems very broad: "Australia itself dominates the islands around its coastal fringe, which range in size from smaller rocks that are not covered by water at high tide to ..." While it says the US has 18,617 islands, I struggle to find an official source for that very precise number. I also see how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_…

Part of it is based on population density. It is an island if it has a name and someone living on it. Canada has thousands, hundreds of thousands, of unnamed "islands" with nobody on them. Wherever land is relatively flat, every water body will have a few. Canada's north is so vast that even unique features remain unnamed, such as the "Island in a Lake on an Island in a Lake on an Island". https://earthobservatory.na…

While every island which "has a name and someone living on it" might count, the links mentions:

> Sweden has 221,831 counted islands ... Though Sweden is the country with the most islands in the world, less than 1,000 of them are inhabited.

Thus, around 221,000 islands are counted as islands, even if not inhabited.

If "large enough to be inhabited" sets the minimum size for an island, then I present Just Room Enough Island - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Room_Enough_Island - at 310 square meters / 3,300 square feet.

The Wikipedia entry says that previously Bishop Rock at was formerly the smallest inhabited island, due to the lighthouse keeper living there.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

#109

Post by eesmith »

SllX wrote: post #79
cyberax wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually quite an interesting question. The West Coast of the contiguous US has almost no islands, you really start getting "islandy" only in the Puget Sound. The East Coast has more islands, but then you need to decide how you classify the river deltas. Is a bump in a brackish swamp an island or not? On the other hand, Sweden has thousands of really small but also well-defined islands. They can be just several…

California has more named islands than Washington, but they’re not all obvious since there’s quite a few small islands in the San Francisco Bay, Suisun Bay and the Sacramento River Delta. I tried fact checking which of the two had the most total islands between them but couldn’t find a satisfactory answer.

I went to the Geographic Names Information System at https://edits.nationalmap.gov/apps/gaz-domestic/public/searc...

Name search, Names search mode is "Exact Match", Feature Classes is "Island".

State (FIPS) of "California (O6)" gives 522 named places.

State (FIPS) of "Washington (53)" gives 422 named places.

Note that this list includes river and lake islands, including islands in reservoirs.

There are two islands named "The Island" in California, neither in Wikipedia, and the one at 41.0922983, -121.4803677 does not appear to be an island.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by SllX »

eesmith wrote: post #109
SllX wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California has more named islands than Washington, but they’re not all obvious since there’s quite a few small islands in the San Francisco Bay, Suisun Bay and the Sacramento River Delta. I tried fact checking which of the two had the most total islands between them but couldn’t find a satisfactory answer.

I went to the Geographic Names Information System at https://edits.nationalmap.gov/apps/gaz-domestic/public/searc... Name search, Names search mode is "Exact Match", Feature Classes is "Island". State (FIPS) of "California (O6)" gives 522 named places. State (FIPS) of "Washington (53)" gives 422 named places. Note that this list includes river and lake islands, including islands in reservoirs. There are two islands n…

That’s what I used too, but the limitation is named places.
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