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The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by pimeys »

yoavm wrote: post #25
fifilura wrote: post #2

Tangential, after reading the description of the archipelago. Sweden is the country with most islands in the world, followed by Norway and Finland. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-countries-have-the...

If you've never visited the Stockholm archipelago, I highly recommend it. In fact, I think it's perhaps the best thing about Stockholm, and one of the most beautiful places in the world in general — if you're into sailing, islands and seas. It's almost too easy to find an island just for yourself for the weekend, and "Allemansrätten", the law that grants people the right to access wilderness, only makes it even more…

Same with Helsinki and Turku archipelago. We've been spending the whole Christmas in my parent's cabins near Helsinki in a small island. It was a bit tricky to come here with a small boat due to the ice, but when we got here, we just heated up the sauna and started enjoying a very quiet island life.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by aguaviva »

Qwertious wrote: post #63
brookst wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but it is an appropriate label for Russia today.

Destroying infrastructure isn't automatically terrorism. If Russia bombed people (or e.g. caved in a building where civilians could be expected to inhabit and thereby die in the collapse) then it would be terrorism. Cable bombing isn't terrorism, it's just sparkling warfare.

If Russia bombed people (or e.g. caved in a building where civilians could be expected to inhabit and thereby die in the collapse) then it would be terrorism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by MisterTea »

ksec wrote: post #65

“security through obscurity” and then go on a publish it in a news paper? Can someone provide some context here because I dont understand what is going on here.

> “security through obscurity” and then go on a publish it in a news paper?

It's obscure to people like you and me who aren't interested in undersea cable sabotage. For a government entity they either already have this knowledge or have the means to obtain it quite easily.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by casenmgreen »

yoavm wrote: post #62
casenmgreen wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, the superb torpedo museum!

A torpedo museum? Where is that?

Mm. I can't find it now. I'm pretty sure it was Stockholm. Had a WW2 Mark 14 out front - one of those terrible American torpedoes. I do specifically mean a and only a torpedo museum (which is not huge, and was on a little island), not the Maritime Museum (which is huge).

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Post by chuckadams »

amelius wrote: post #43
askonomm wrote: post #15

Probably a stupid question, but why don't we encase the (undersea) cable in some metal container or something so that it would not be so easy to break? Is it due to economics? Is the constant fixing in the end cheaper than making it hard to break, or perhaps it needs maintenance anyway often enough to make it a hassle?

A better approach may be to dig a few more tunnels like the Channel tunnel, and run some fiber through them.

The North Sea is quite a bit deeper and wider than the English Channel.

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Post by CarpetBombGaza »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #57

There is no hybrid war. just war and a useless generation of politicians unable to deal with a return of the ugly old world of colonial powers, starved up ans carved up nations all scrambling to get nukes. The dictators all told us to our face what they would do in their propaganda . Nothing overt, hidden or hybrid . We need the hawks back that won the cold war and we need those doves caged in their own delusions gon…

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Post by syvanen »

kakoni wrote: post #73

So perhaps for Finland its not the wisest strategical move to push critical IT services into Azure?

Is Azure somehow impacted by this? Or any other of the big providers like AWS or Google Cloud?

Maybe there’s something that Finland and Finnish ISPs could learn from the big providers? And from Ukraine how they moved everything critical into cloud?

The big cloud operators and service providers with their own backbones have redundancies on their network on multiple levels. Not just IP level but also on light path level. Giving them enough bandwidth that even with failure they don’t get congestion.

Finnish ISPs could build more connectivity even inland or higher up in the Gulf of Bothnia. But many of them haven’t as they have optimized for latency and not for redundancy.

Even Finnish government networks were shown during the COVID to be under provisioned, the. pan gateways didn’t handle remote work. And then one roadwork cut a cable next to the road it was shown that the redundant cables were in the same ditch. Service owner has just bought “redundant” connections and never confirmed it.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by ionwake »

yoavm wrote: post #25
fifilura wrote: post #2

Tangential, after reading the description of the archipelago. Sweden is the country with most islands in the world, followed by Norway and Finland. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-countries-have-the...

If you've never visited the Stockholm archipelago, I highly recommend it. In fact, I think it's perhaps the best thing about Stockholm, and one of the most beautiful places in the world in general — if you're into sailing, islands and seas. It's almost too easy to find an island just for yourself for the weekend, and "Allemansrätten", the law that grants people the right to access wilderness, only makes it even more…

Is it legal to camp overnight on them?

I’m from Europe and when I saw the islands on the ferry to Helsinki’s from Stockholm I have to say I was amazed at the beauty so much so I’d love own property there now. Truly astonishing seeing kids on tiny row boats chilling on random rocks in the estuary

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