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Re: Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

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Post by seszett »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #49
ccakes wrote: post #20

I tried this (among a bunch of others) about a year ago and landed on Gonic[1] for the server and Supersonic[2] on PC and Amperfy[3] on mobile. Yes it's a few different tools to maintain (plus beets etc), but it's the ideal set of features etc for me. Self-hosting has been fun and I've started experimenting with local LLMs to build playlists which is helping discoverability.. or more /rediscovering/ artists that I ha…

OK, I will ask. I presume you purchased all those music files that you host on that certain server, didn’t you? I will also assume that there is no tool that lets you acquire music MP3s (or some appropriate file type which is non-audiophile listenable) the Linux ISO way (without having to hunt them songs one by one), right? I am talking about someone already having a Spotify/apple music playlists/likes/favourites. Al…

Not OP, but gonic is very lightweight and takes little resources. It lives on a machine that serves a few websites and also hosts my photos with photoprism (by far the most resource intensive service on this server). It's a basic N100 machine with 8GB RAM.

As for my music, although I own a physical copy of most of it that I bought legally, I downloaded almost everything through bittorrent as is easier than ripping CDs.

A sizable part of my collection consists of things I was unable to buy because it's unavailable here or unavailable at all, though. Some albums I received from friends. I don't feel guilty about it, to be clear.

Re: Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

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Post by ccakes »

sandreas wrote: post #40
ccakes wrote: post #20

I tried this (among a bunch of others) about a year ago and landed on Gonic[1] for the server and Supersonic[2] on PC and Amperfy[3] on mobile. Yes it's a few different tools to maintain (plus beets etc), but it's the ideal set of features etc for me. Self-hosting has been fun and I've started experimenting with local LLMs to build playlists which is helping discoverability.. or more /rediscovering/ artists that I ha…

Why did you chose gonic over navidrome[1]? My stack [2] is: navidrome (music - subsonic server) substreamer (app) beets (music organization) EAC (audio cd ripping) audiobookshelf (audiobooks) Most important part of navidrome are smart playlists[3], with these I didn't need AI support just yet... 1: https://www.navidrome.org/ 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40470630 3: https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome/is…

I did try Navidrome and used it for a while.. I honestly don't remember why I switched but I suspect the reason was probably more related to the client I was using at the same (Submariner on macOS) than the server-side.

Re: Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

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Post by pmlnr »

j0057 wrote: post #48

I run multiple minidlna instances in Podman and let BubbleUPNP connect to them through Wireguard. Getting the multicast discovery to work was a bit challenging.

This is by far the nicest solution out there. All the others, plex, etc are resource hogs that want to transcode everything, unlike minidlna, which can run on a router, if needed, without docker, or all that jazz.

People might not like it because bubbleupnp is not open source, but it's a very nice piece of software nonetheless.

Re: Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

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Post by ccakes »

gravitronic wrote: post #25
ccakes wrote: post #20

I tried this (among a bunch of others) about a year ago and landed on Gonic[1] for the server and Supersonic[2] on PC and Amperfy[3] on mobile. Yes it's a few different tools to maintain (plus beets etc), but it's the ideal set of features etc for me. Self-hosting has been fun and I've started experimenting with local LLMs to build playlists which is helping discoverability.. or more /rediscovering/ artists that I ha…

If you haven't seen it, discogs releases a huge dataset for free that I feel like is ripe for powering a cool music recommendation engine

I haven't! I just did a quick search, is this[1] what you're talking about.. or something else?

[1] https://discogs-data-dumps.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/index....

Re: Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

#55

Post by gloosx »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #49
ccakes wrote: post #20

I tried this (among a bunch of others) about a year ago and landed on Gonic[1] for the server and Supersonic[2] on PC and Amperfy[3] on mobile. Yes it's a few different tools to maintain (plus beets etc), but it's the ideal set of features etc for me. Self-hosting has been fun and I've started experimenting with local LLMs to build playlists which is helping discoverability.. or more /rediscovering/ artists that I ha…

OK, I will ask. I presume you purchased all those music files that you host on that certain server, didn’t you? I will also assume that there is no tool that lets you acquire music MP3s (or some appropriate file type which is non-audiophile listenable) the Linux ISO way (without having to hunt them songs one by one), right? I am talking about someone already having a Spotify/apple music playlists/likes/favourites. Al…

Self hosted music service doesn't necessarily imply new music discovery problems, because a lot of people still discover music the old non-algorithmic way, by being interested in certain genres, studying labels and artists and going through their albums, adding to their collection what they would love to hear again. Buying and owning the song/album somehow brings me more satisfaction than paying a monthly fee for a song library where I won't even listen to 99% of the tracks. Regarding the cost – it is most certainly magnitudes cheaper than renting music from spotify or apple music, but it is ofc more expensive in terms of attention.

Re: Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

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Post by crossroadsguy »

seszett wrote: post #51
crossroadsguy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, I will ask. I presume you purchased all those music files that you host on that certain server, didn’t you? I will also assume that there is no tool that lets you acquire music MP3s (or some appropriate file type which is non-audiophile listenable) the Linux ISO way (without having to hunt them songs one by one), right? I am talking about someone already having a Spotify/apple music playlists/likes/favourites. Al…

Not OP, but gonic is very lightweight and takes little resources. It lives on a machine that serves a few websites and also hosts my photos with photoprism (by far the most resource intensive service on this server). It's a basic N100 machine with 8GB RAM. As for my music, although I own a physical copy of most of it that I bought legally, I downloaded almost everything through bittorrent as is easier than ripping CD…

I have 700 via those tools but then my current Spotify/Apple Music list must be close to 1500 and I shudder at the thought of hunting the rest of 800 down on P2P here and there. So I was wondering is there a way to do it in one shot or few shots as a batch/automated process.

Re: Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

#57

Post by bramhaag »

People who use this or something similar (Jellyfin, Navidrome, etc.), what do you use to easily add new music?

Ideally I'd like to automate this to the point where I can look up an album and it gets downloaded automatically, similar to how Overseerr[1] works for movies and series but without the dependency on Plex.

[1] https://github.com/sct/overseerr

Re: Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

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Post by darthShadow »

bramhaag wrote: post #57

People who use this or something similar (Jellyfin, Navidrome, etc.), what do you use to easily add new music? Ideally I'd like to automate this to the point where I can look up an album and it gets downloaded automatically, similar to how Overseerr[1] works for movies and series but without the dependency on Plex. [1] https://github.com/sct/overseerr

You have Lidarr[1] as an equivalent to Sonarr/Radarr etc. and there is a pending PR[2] for adding Lidarr support to Overseerr which also has a custom docker image to try.

[1] https://github.com/Lidarr/Lidarr [2] https://github.com/sct/overseerr/pull/3800

Re: Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

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Post by 0x073 »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #21

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If I copy a song from a friend the interpret earns nothing.

If I stream a song from spotify the interpret maybe earns something depending if he is big.

=> The interpret don't loss anything, only the labels does nowadays.

Music streaming is piracy for most indie interprets.

Re: Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

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Post by happymellon »

gloosx wrote: post #55
crossroadsguy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, I will ask. I presume you purchased all those music files that you host on that certain server, didn’t you? I will also assume that there is no tool that lets you acquire music MP3s (or some appropriate file type which is non-audiophile listenable) the Linux ISO way (without having to hunt them songs one by one), right? I am talking about someone already having a Spotify/apple music playlists/likes/favourites. Al…

Self hosted music service doesn't necessarily imply new music discovery problems, because a lot of people still discover music the old non-algorithmic way, by being interested in certain genres, studying labels and artists and going through their albums, adding to their collection what they would love to hear again. Buying and owning the song/album somehow brings me more satisfaction than paying a monthly fee for a s…

The algorithms have never introduced me to a new song.

They always try to mash up things I've heard before, which is disappointing because I can often go to "similar artists" in Spotify and after drilling down a couple of levels, find new artists.

But Spotify will never suggest it until I listen to a song at least once and even then it will only recommended that one song.

I still do most of my discovery by looking at other bands on a related label, internet radio or, as mentioned, finding a band I like and browsing the similar artists.

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