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Re: Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

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> with a touch of AI It's fascinating even to myself how fast I closed the tab. The annoyance and oversaturation with "ai" is on a level I didn't think was possible

But in this case, as I understood it, fully optional? (Maybe not, only read it rather cursorily.) So in that case, might be useful anyway.

Otherwise, yeah, me too.

Re: Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

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Been looking at these tools and honestly, my big issue is backup - specifically, I want a dead simple way to continuously back up my links to something like S3. Not really interested in relying on the Internet Archive or having to set up and babysit yet another backup system. is it like completely antithetical to the average self-hoster ethos to use the cloud where it makes sense? I really like hoarder, but kind of s…

Just rclone the docker volume/mount to s3 or what have you. Or you can get fancy and directly do docker volumes in s3 using a storage driver.

Re: Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

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I currently use Reader by Readwise for this purpose. 3 main things I look for in such an app are: 1. Ability to save everything including PDFs etc. 2. Ability to read offline 3. Some ability to summarize, send some reminders to read etc. are an added bonus.

I'm not sure on the support for PDFs with hoarder-app, the github README doesn't seem to mention anything about it.

Re: Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

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Hoarder's maintainer here! What a nice surprise seeing Hoarder on the homepage of hackernews!

FYI: On the login, it tripped me up a couple of times because the username is case sensitive. There is a tradeoff between security, useability, and support requests; the input is labelled email, and email addresses are usually not case sensitive (and as email addresses used as email addresses are never case sensitive) so it confused me.

Re: Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

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Hoarder's maintainer here! What a nice surprise seeing Hoarder on the homepage of hackernews!

FYI: On the login, it tripped me up a couple of times because the username is case sensitive. There is a tradeoff between security, useability, and support requests; the input is labelled email, and email addresses are usually not case sensitive (and as email addresses used as email addresses are never case sensitive) so it confused me.

TiL. I always assumed emails were case sensitive, and doubly so if used as a username. I find it strange that you even discovered this 'wrong' behaviour on the site in question: you purposefully typed your email address with different casing when logging in vs. registering?

Re: Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

#96

> with a touch of AI It's fascinating even to myself how fast I closed the tab. The annoyance and oversaturation with "ai" is on a level I didn't think was possible

Tbh, it sounds like 'good' AI to me. This isn't putting anyone out of a job and it's apparently optional. What's more, it can be configured to work locally, so that should take care of privacy concerns.

Re: Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polyhierarchies combined with RAG is the one true way.

I didn't know this term before, thanks! Are there any examples (e.g., products you like) that demonstrate this One True Way in practice?

Not yet.

I have been experimenting with different representations of data in Neo4j, Markdown, and Orgmode. I even tried cludging the polyhierarchies into different file systems using symlinks and tagging,

I'm still researching for better storage techniques.

I want a good mix between hand editing, but robust machine readable formats. Orgmode works pretty good, but it's fairly complicated to parse, and I think it could be improved.

The retrieval and search part could be improved with RAG, but I don't have the hardware or time at the moment to hacking around with the compute intensive AI stuff.

Re: Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI: On the login, it tripped me up a couple of times because the username is case sensitive. There is a tradeoff between security, useability, and support requests; the input is labelled email, and email addresses are usually not case sensitive (and as email addresses used as email addresses are never case sensitive) so it confused me.

TiL. I always assumed emails were case sensitive, and doubly so if used as a username. I find it strange that you even discovered this 'wrong' behaviour on the site in question: you purposefully typed your email address with different casing when logging in vs. registering?

I have never had a email server be case sensitive, and often use that for mail filtering: myuSer@ - the big "S" is for spam!

In line with with that, I would expect the login to not be case sensitive when it accepts an email.

Re: Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

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> with a touch of AI It's fascinating even to myself how fast I closed the tab. The annoyance and oversaturation with "ai" is on a level I didn't think was possible

Tbh, it sounds like 'good' AI to me. This isn't putting anyone out of a job and it's apparently optional. What's more, it can be configured to work locally, so that should take care of privacy concerns.

It sounds optional and potentially marginally useful. But I understand the OP's reaction. These days, I'm also conditioned to very quickly dismiss something that initially sounded interesting as soon as I spot those two capital letters from the corner of my eye.

For me, the sentiment is mostly, if I'm looking for a tool for something, I want it to do exactly that job, and I want to do it precisely. The presence of AI features gives me a gut feeling both of feature bloat, and that "precision" wasn't a major focus behind the application's design.

Re: Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, it sounds like 'good' AI to me. This isn't putting anyone out of a job and it's apparently optional. What's more, it can be configured to work locally, so that should take care of privacy concerns.

It sounds optional and potentially marginally useful. But I understand the OP's reaction. These days, I'm also conditioned to very quickly dismiss something that initially sounded interesting as soon as I spot those two capital letters from the corner of my eye. For me, the sentiment is mostly, if I'm looking for a tool for something, I want it to do exactly that job, and I want to do it precisely. The presence of AI…

Oh, I agree 100%. I don't think I'd make use of an auto-tagging feature beyond 'preselect existing tags that occur in the text' which I - not being in Marketing - would hesitate to describe as 'AI'. I would probably disable the feature in this case, though, rather than dismiss the product entirely.
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