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Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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Re: Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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Can it play youtube videos without saturating the resources yet? This was a major problem with Pi 4/400, I had to resort to quite an extreme overclock and some hacky custom browser builds to improve this. Bought it for a family member new to computing. I was put off so much of the 'pi as a basic desktop computer' that I wouldn't buy another for this usecase. Never did make sense to me why it struggled so much with a…

The same question applies to most GNU/Linux distributions for laptops.

The last time I was able to use hardware video decoding for YouTube on my Asus 1215B netbook, was with Flash plugin for Firefox.

After the plugin was dropped, never again, regardless of how many incantations of VAAPI, AMD and Intel drivers.

That netbook died last year.

It is due to stuff like this that I have settled on Apple, Microsoft and Google offerings (ChromeOS and Android use only the Linux kernel, with managed userspace).

Re: Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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Can it play youtube videos without saturating the resources yet? This was a major problem with Pi 4/400, I had to resort to quite an extreme overclock and some hacky custom browser builds to improve this. Bought it for a family member new to computing. I was put off so much of the 'pi as a basic desktop computer' that I wouldn't buy another for this usecase. Never did make sense to me why it struggled so much with a…

That depends on the video, too. There's a bunch of different codecs in use with YouTube videos. Some of them are more intense than others to decode. It'd be nice if it was a user preference on YouTube, wherein: A user could say "VP9? Lol, no -- there's no way that's gonna work. How about h.264? I know I can play that." But it's really not that way even though it should be. Instead, we get a vaguely-meaningless way to…

I've not seen 1080p playback issues even on 3rd gen Intel machines, to be honest. All I could think is that it was a driver issue with PiOS, as the SoC [0] should have good support for decoding these codecs. When I was in the rabbit hole trying to solve the issue I read many reports from others with the same problems.

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-raspberry_pi_4_b_broadcom_...

Re: Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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The Pi5 is quite reasonable, and the Pi 500 by extension, but I just have two things that I wish they’d fix:

I wish the NVMe port was populated. The Pi 5’s desktop performance feels massively better with a cheap NVMe drive compared to a microSD card.

It would also be much better if it worked with full functionality with an actually standard USB-PD power adapter instead of requiring a custom 5V 5A adapter. The whole point of USB-C and USB-PD is reusability. Instead, for the Pi5/500 I have to buy a dedicated USB power adapter rather than using the existing 45W/65W/100W ones I already own.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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Maybe some day the Pi team will figure out how to use the full size HDMI port footprint on their designs. Maybe some day.

I'm assuming they chose Micro-HDMI here so they could use the same part they use on the Pi 5.

Yeah but the first two generations of pi shipped with full size HDMI on the same footprint.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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I wish this had a TouchPad integrated to it, and an option for a battery. It would be an excellent laptop replacement with my Xreal Air.

Both of those are things you could rig up yourself, which is the point of RPi. If you're interested in finding suitable touch pads, have a look at the ergonomic keyboard community as they do a lot of fabrication and integration.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps there is. The trouble, then, would be that YouTube's implementation is either broken or nonexistent. (We can tell this because if it did exist and did work well, then there would not be complaints.)

Are we sure the browser is reporting it correctly?

Of course not; how could we ever be sure? We're dumb users; inspection of details of interactions between our browser and a website is a black art.

"Youtube doesn't work" is the default apparent failure mode here; and this failure mode does not provide even a PC LOAD LETTER way of going further.

(It'd be nice if it were transparent or always worked, but again: It is simply not this way. And again: We can tell this because of the complaints, and of the storied workarounds.)

Re: Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends on the video, too. There's a bunch of different codecs in use with YouTube videos. Some of them are more intense than others to decode. It'd be nice if it was a user preference on YouTube, wherein: A user could say "VP9? Lol, no -- there's no way that's gonna work. How about h.264? I know I can play that." But it's really not that way even though it should be. Instead, we get a vaguely-meaningless way to…

I've not seen 1080p playback issues even on 3rd gen Intel machines, to be honest. All I could think is that it was a driver issue with PiOS, as the SoC [0] should have good support for decoding these codecs. When I was in the rabbit hole trying to solve the issue I read many reports from others with the same problems. https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-raspberry_pi_4_b_broadcom_...

Neat.

I have issues with Chrome on Linux when playing 1080p videos on my 1080p monitor, ever since I disabled the h264ify plugin that (according to some here) I should have never, ever needed to have had installed to begin with.

On an i7-6700K. With an RTX 2080 Super. This is not the fastest rig, but it's plenty capable of playing a fucking 1080p Youtube video (maybe even with software decoding) as long as it isn't fucking sabotaged, like I used to do with much-lesser computers from the beginning of YouTube's 1080p streams.

(Do I have some software issues to sort out? You betcha! But the automagic shit on Youtube fails to produce usable video today, for me, just the fucking same -- without explicit help. This means that the automatic shit does not fucking work, for me -- today. And I am not alone -- see the other random complaint, above.)

(And this begs the question of: Why does this h264ify plugin, and its friends, even exist if it was never needed to begin with? For the lulz? Was it created as merely an educational experiment?)

[And as a point of comparison: 1080p Pornhub video works fine on this system. Every time. It's just smooth video without problems or aberrations. I do not know what codecs Pornhub uses, mostly because Pornhhub has never given me any reason to care about the codecs they use.

My YouTube-viewing experiences are not that way at all. By default, they fuck up. And they fuck up often. This makes me research reasons to explain, and correct for, YouTube fucking-up. Meanwhile, Pornhub works fine; it has thus not needed any corrective measures or inspection at all.]

And yes: It will always be totally cromulent for end-users like myself to bitch about the experiences they have that do not fucking work, even if (or especially if) they have some measure of technical chutzpah.

(I bitched about a thing in concert with another user who was bitching about a very similar thing. You did not provide a solution, or even a viable path towards finding a solution.)

Re: Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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Do this and the RPi5 run (proper mainline) Linux yet, or are they still only usable on the fork hacked together in-house?

I believe 6.12 has some Pi5 support.

Thanks. I went to look at bcm2712-rpi-5-b.dts and bcm2712.dtsi in 6.12.x, as it's been a while since I last checked, but it looks like even 14 months after the RPi5, they've still got no further with upstreaming than serial support. No USB, no graphics... possibly SD card working?

They used to be alright (if not stellar) at Linux support so the story with RPi5 has been really disappointing. Hard to choose CM5 for a product when it's stuck in a downstream quagmire.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we sure the browser is reporting it correctly?

Of course not; how could we ever be sure? We're dumb users; inspection of details of interactions between our browser and a website is a black art. "Youtube doesn't work" is the default apparent failure mode here; and this failure mode does not provide even a PC LOAD LETTER way of going further. (It'd be nice if it were transparent or always worked, but again: It is simply not this way. And again: We can tell this be…

Some error handling, data logging, tied to user reporting could do a long way here. I've never looked under the hood of YT, so I have no idea of the user journey in these cases. The full picture would be only visible from the Google side anyway and it'd be up to them to figure out what combinations of capabilities are causing trouble.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500 Delivers Great Performance, Convenient Upgrade to the RPi 400

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming they chose Micro-HDMI here so they could use the same part they use on the Pi 5.

Yeah but the first two generations of pi shipped with full size HDMI on the same footprint.

The first two generations of the Pi only had a single HDMI output - later generations have 2 and hence required smaller HDMI ports to be able to keep the Pi footprint.
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