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Ask HN: Why isn't Alex Krizhevsky as famous as Ilya Sutskever or G.Hinton?
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Re: Ask HN: Why isn't Alex Krizhevsky as famous as Ilya Sutskever or G.Hinton?
#12He likes to be away from the lime light. Here is the last interview I found: https://youtu.be/gwzwkv2hO5k
on top of this, its quite common that first authors are the "most junior people on the team who did the bulk of the work but may not have the broader perspective/longer career" (these are usually the last authors).
While AlexNet was his top single contribution, both Ilya and Geoff had much more other contributions and longer lived careers so the fame is kind of self fulfilling there (both in that he doesnt seem to have wanted it but also didn't keep up publishing groundbreaking stuff).
Alec Radford is in a similar vein in that he likes to keep a low profile, but he is subjectively much more famous in AI circles because he continued to work on things like GPT2/3, DallE, CLIP, PPO, Scaling laws, RLHF beyond just dropping GPT1 and peacing out
Re: Ask HN: Why isn't Alex Krizhevsky as famous as Ilya Sutskever or G.Hinton?
#13He and his company aren’t trying to raise money so it’s less important he becomes famous.
Re: Ask HN: Why isn't Alex Krizhevsky as famous as Ilya Sutskever or G.Hinton?
#14Seems like he might be retired.
oh how i wish hinton would have retired ...
Re: Ask HN: Why isn't Alex Krizhevsky as famous as Ilya Sutskever or G.Hinton?
#15He and his company aren’t trying to raise money so it’s less important he becomes famous.
He has a company?
Re: Ask HN: Why isn't Alex Krizhevsky as famous as Ilya Sutskever or G.Hinton?
#16He is working on CNN (Convolution Neural Network) while everyone else uses transformers. Furthermore, he wasn't in the OpenAI scandal with Ilya. Third, they don't publish papers at the same rate. Ilya has 585182 citations, while Alex has 286082 (source google scholar).
286082 is still insane though
Re: Ask HN: Why isn't Alex Krizhevsky as famous as Ilya Sutskever or G.Hinton?
#17Seems like he might be retired.
oh how i wish hinton would have retired ...
when i think of anyone, i can think of aspects of their personality that i dislike (for example, me not capitalising words or i?). but do you wish he'd retired because of his personality? or because you didnt think his contributions were worthwhile? or over-hyped?
btw i recently asked gpt this exact same question posed by op!, was quite the diplomatic response i got.
Re: Ask HN: Why isn't Alex Krizhevsky as famous as Ilya Sutskever or G.Hinton?
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
oh how i wish hinton would have retired ...
when i think of anyone, i can think of aspects of their personality that i dislike (for example, me not capitalising words or i?). but do you wish he'd retired because of his personality? or because you didnt think his contributions were worthwhile? or over-hyped? btw i recently asked gpt this exact same question posed by op!, was quite the diplomatic response i got.
because of the things he's saying about where AI goes in the future, that the brain works like an LLM, and in particular his doomer-ism about LLMs.
he was wrong about many DL paradigms and didn't contribute in any way to the advances that brought us LLMs for at least the last decade, but now since he won the Nobel (undeservedly imo) his wrong opinions get publicity and misinform the public and decision makers.
i think it's the mark of an intellectual to recognize when the world has moved on so far that your idea of it is outdated and wrong. he missed that mark.
Re: Ask HN: Why isn't Alex Krizhevsky as famous as Ilya Sutskever or G.Hinton?
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
when i think of anyone, i can think of aspects of their personality that i dislike (for example, me not capitalising words or i?). but do you wish he'd retired because of his personality? or because you didnt think his contributions were worthwhile? or over-hyped? btw i recently asked gpt this exact same question posed by op!, was quite the diplomatic response i got.
because of the things he's saying about where AI goes in the future, that the brain works like an LLM, and in particular his doomer-ism about LLMs. he was wrong about many DL paradigms and didn't contribute in any way to the advances that brought us LLMs for at least the last decade, but now since he won the Nobel (undeservedly imo) his wrong opinions get publicity and misinform the public and decision makers. i thin…
If he gave up on ideas because other people moved on, he would never have done the work that won the prize. It took someone very stubborn to continue working on neural nets back then.
Re: Ask HN: Why isn't Alex Krizhevsky as famous as Ilya Sutskever or G.Hinton?
#20ilya sacrificed his hair for fame