Palm Pilot Graffiti • Hacker News Board

Re: Palm Pilot Graffiti

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Post by noonespecial » Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 11:25 AM UTC

seclorum wrote: post #5

This is a good example of why software patents are ridiculous. Graffiti is perfectly useful technology - it would be wonderful to have Graffiti on the iPad, in my opinion. But alas, it cannot be done, because: patents and 'intellectual property'.

I'm surprised its not the other way around. Isn't the unlock "swipe" just a fat-fingered Graffiti 'space' character?

Taps are zero length swipes, swipes are fat fingered strokes... good lord, its a wonder we're allowed to touch the damn things at all.

Re: Palm Pilot Graffiti

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Post by z1g1 » Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 12:18 PM UTC

With a Galax Note and the Graffiti Keyboard http://www.amazon.com/ACCESS-Systems-Americas-Graffiti-Andro... I get the old experience from my Handspring Visor on a much nicer device!

Re: Palm Pilot Graffiti

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Post by jbl » Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 12:54 PM UTC

mootothemax wrote: post #8

Graffiti was very much a good hack for the time; when you consider how badly Apple screwed up with the handwriting recognition in the first Newton PDAs, it was a neat innovation to sidestep the problem. I wouldn't like to return to it though; these days, I run Swype ( http://www.swype.com/ ) on my Android phone, which I find to be incredibly quick and easy to enter text with.

Yup, I have fond memories of my USRobotics Palm Pilot 5000.

I think another reason Graffiti worked so well is that it's just plain easier to train a human to use an alphabet that's similar to their native alphabet than it is to do full blown handwriting recognition. In other words, it wasn't just that the graffiti gesture set was easier to recognize by software, but also that people could learn a gesture set that could "help" the software along.

Re: Palm Pilot Graffiti

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Post by EzGraphs » Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 1:14 PM UTC

When I first saw that Graffiti, I thought it would take a big investment of time to adjust my writing style. As I recall, I was able to get by with just adjusting the way I wrote a half dozen characters or so, and just printed the way I had learned as a kid. This was sufficient for the small notes I entered into the Palm.

For all of the coolness of the iPhone, I don't enter notes into it often. The little type-writer kind of feels unwieldy. It is usable, and it may just be my perception (comparing typing on a full size keyboard to typing on the on-screen iPhone version). Makes my kind of miss Graffiti and using a stylus.

Re: Palm Pilot Graffiti

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Post by aladds » Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 1:53 PM UTC

What most people don't realise is that Palm actually produced Graffiti as an alternative input method for the Newton before they released their own device. For the early devices (OMP, 120, 130) it was incredible compared to their terrible handwriting recognition. The later MessagePads (2000, 2100) were quite a lot better, though (and the eMate had a keyboard).

Re: Palm Pilot Graffiti

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Post by sopooneo » Mon, Jul 16, 2012, 3:18 PM UTC

EzGraphs wrote: post #14

When I first saw that Graffiti, I thought it would take a big investment of time to adjust my writing style. As I recall, I was able to get by with just adjusting the way I wrote a half dozen characters or so, and just printed the way I had learned as a kid. This was sufficient for the small notes I entered into the Palm. For all of the coolness of the iPhone, I don't enter notes into it often. The little type-writer…

I really think some sort of equilibrium is going to be reached that brings back the stylus or at least a functional equivalent. Fingers just aren't precise enough for some things