Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

sy1.sh

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–48 of 48 posts

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

#41

Post by seymore_12 »

honzabe wrote: post #9
Gys wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I missed something: why do you as a seller have to enter your bankdetails?

That is the thing - you don't. In Czechia, something called bank ID is commonly used to authenticate. The point is to verify it is you, for example when you sign a contract online, fill in tax returns online... stuff like that. The way it works is that you are on some site, you get redirected to your internet banking, you log in (that's what I meant by "bank details", I am sorry about expressing myself so clumsily),…

Honest question. Shouldn't this internet banking that offer authentication as a service do it via at least mandatory 2FA for log in. I would guess that way fake bank sites would be failing?

I dont have many banking relationships, using 2 banks and there is not even a password to remember, all login is done via authentication apps.

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

#42

Post by ustad »

honzabe wrote: post #40
ustad wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy crap. What a terrible system and I hope my part of the world never implements such forms of tech.

I am not sure I can agree with that. I almost got scammed, but isn't that my responsibility to check? The thing is, those services really are useful. A lot of stuff that used to be complicated and required me to stand in line somewhere can now be done comfortably from home. Many good things can be abused, but that does not mean they should not be implemented. And you don't have to use it if you do not want to. Also,…

Sorry, I was not clear. I was talking about having to use your bank for authentication/sign in.

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

#43

Post by ustad »

noprocrasted wrote: post #32
ustad wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy crap. What a terrible system and I hope my part of the world never implements such forms of tech.

It's an actually really good system, as the origin (aka the domain displayed in your URL bar) changes during the redirect. The problem is the lack of user education as to what an "origin" is. But assuming there is good user education, this is the proper way to do it. One (untrusted) origin redirects you to a trusted one with instructions to give it some information. The trusted origin asks for your authentication and…

I’ll repeat what I said above/below: Sorry, I was not clear. I was talking about having to use your bank for authentication/sign in.

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

#44

Post by ustad »

mcyukon wrote: post #20
honzabe wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is the thing - you don't. In Czechia, something called bank ID is commonly used to authenticate. The point is to verify it is you, for example when you sign a contract online, fill in tax returns online... stuff like that. The way it works is that you are on some site, you get redirected to your internet banking, you log in (that's what I meant by "bank details", I am sorry about expressing myself so clumsily),…

Canada checking in. We have the same system for authenticating with government services. https://www.interac.ca/en/verification/personal/sign-into-go... I dislike this as well, as this is conditioning people to not second guess why a third party website is sending you to your bank to login. As well as scam websites I've come across that mirror the authentication process down to every step you would have when using it…

Holy crap! I would have thought Canada would know better than use this “Bank ID” method.

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

#45

Post by meiraleal »

dylan604 wrote: post #36
meiraleal wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How not? The robber never intended to finish the deal.

Because like everything else in law, the lower charge becomes irrelevant in light of a worse offense. Breaking into someones home is burglary, but do it when someone is home and it becomes home invasion. Do it with a weapon and it becomes an aggravated charge. At that point, nobody cares if you were trying to steal the silverware.

> Because like everything else in law,

what law? In my country in my scenario the person would be charged for scam (fraud), robbery and any other possible crimes.

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

#47

Post by sfjailbird »

paxys wrote: post #35
yojo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article mentioned it was a listing specifically for a large item. I get why someone might not show up on my doorstep if they’re buying a piano - they probably need to hire somebody and are themselves not going to contribute anything to the piano moving process. But fully agreed that once you’re an inch off the “show up with money” path, everything is suspect.

That's even more of an indicator that it's a scam. You put a listing for something big/bulky/expensive on the internet and some person sees a couple pictures, thinks "good enough" and immediately wants to wire you hundreds of dollars? Without actually seeing it or making sure they aren't getting scammed? Nope, does not happen.

This is common. I've done it myself and had no problems. I want to buy some bulky item from another part of the country, I trust the seller, so I just wire them the money and tell them when my movers are going to show up.
Post reply on HN