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Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

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Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

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That's bizarre - someone tried to scam me in a similar way literally a few minutes ago.

I am selling something on a marketplace. Someone contacted me - they want to buy the thing I am selling. Do I still have it? I say yes. They say they are sending a GLS courier to collect the item. I figure they need the item fast - we are celebrating Christmas tomorrow. Why not.

The "buyer" sends me a link to a service supposedly offered by GLS, where GLS works as an intermediary - they collected the money from the buyer; when they collect the item, they will pay me. This is happening in the Czech Republic, and services like that seem plausible here. I do not know every detail of every delivery service offered here. The page looks just like an ordinary GLS page. I am in a hurry. I do not pay that much attention. I pause and check only when redirected to my bank's authentication page (this is the phishing part, obviously). Turns out GLS offers no such service.

I was closer to giving them what they wanted than I imagined possible. I was on autopilot until the last second. Not even my bank's login page surprised me that much - we have something called "bank identity" that lets you authenticate stuff by your bank ID. It is so convenient that I got used to it and I do it carelessly.

>> I hate scammers

Yes, me too.

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

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Good work! As noted, it probably won't change anything, but scammers are a lot more sophisticated, these days, than they used to be.

From the description, these are rent-a-scammers, who convince people that renting their all in one scam platform is a great deal. It probably isn't, or they'd be doing it themselves. It's a good deal if you place a premium on feeling clever from scamming people, and don't care about the risk of getting hit by the police, or by rival would-be scammers eager to show they're more tough criminals than you.

It's the lifecycle of a scam. Once it really isn't worth the effort anymore, it gets packaged up and sold to stupid kids.

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

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post #3

That's bizarre - someone tried to scam me in a similar way literally a few minutes ago. I am selling something on a marketplace. Someone contacted me - they want to buy the thing I am selling. Do I still have it? I say yes. They say they are sending a GLS courier to collect the item. I figure they need the item fast - we are celebrating Christmas tomorrow. Why not. The "buyer" sends me a link to a service supposedly…

I missed something: why do you as a seller have to enter your bankdetails?

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

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It's so easy to spot marketplace scams that I'm baffled people still fall for them.

Are you going to show up with cash on my doorstep (or another agreed upon location)? If yes, we can continue talking. If not, you are blocked and reported. End of story.

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

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post #6
post #3

That's bizarre - someone tried to scam me in a similar way literally a few minutes ago. I am selling something on a marketplace. Someone contacted me - they want to buy the thing I am selling. Do I still have it? I say yes. They say they are sending a GLS courier to collect the item. I figure they need the item fast - we are celebrating Christmas tomorrow. Why not. The "buyer" sends me a link to a service supposedly…

I missed something: why do you as a seller have to enter your bankdetails?

That is the thing - you don't.

In Czechia, something called bank ID is commonly used to authenticate. The point is to verify it is you, for example when you sign a contract online, fill in tax returns online... stuff like that. The way it works is that you are on some site, you get redirected to your internet banking, you log in (that's what I meant by "bank details", I am sorry about expressing myself so clumsily), and your bank redirects you back to that site with confirmation that is you.

Do I need to verify my identity when someone wants to send me money? Who knows. This is the part that made me check. But I was close to not checking simply because it is habitual, and you do stuff like that automatically.

Nowadays, we are often dealing with systems we do not fully understand. You get redirected to some familiar login form, you log in, and you don't even pause. Well, at least I do it. I should be a lot more careful, apparently.

Re: Tracking Down the Bulgarian Marketplace Scams

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post #7

It's so easy to spot marketplace scams that I'm baffled people still fall for them. Are you going to show up with cash on my doorstep (or another agreed upon location)? If yes, we can continue talking. If not, you are blocked and reported. End of story.

> It's so easy to spot marketplace scams that I'm baffled people still fall for them.

That's survival bias. There are some you can't spot.

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