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Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by Der_Einzige » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 12:43 AM UTC

bowsamic wrote: post #409

Der_Einzige wrote: post #311

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Actually reckoning with this stuff leads people into believing in anti-natalism, negative utilitarinism, Scopenhaur/Philipp Mainlander (Mainlander btw was not just pro-suicide, he actually killed himself!), and the voluntary extinction movement. This terrified other philosophers like Nietzsche, who spends most of his work defending reality even if it's absolute shit. "Amor Fati", "Infinite Regress/Eternal Recurrence"…

I felt this way for the first 30 years of my life. Then I received treatment for depression (psychoanalysis) and finally tasted joy for the first time in my entire life. Now I love life. YMMV EDIT: If you’re interested what actually happened is that I was missing the prerequisite early childhood experience that enables one to feel secure in reality. If you check, all the people who have this feeling of philosophical/…

But psychoanalysis is literally psudoscientific nonsense. You got spooked.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 12:51 AM UTC

noch wrote: post #411

gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #407

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Any idea what our next steps are? It seems like we stop the experiment of mass communication, try to figure out a less damaging knowledge-based filtering mechanism (presently executed by human), or throw open the flood gates to all manner of trauma inducing content and let the viewer beware.

> Any idea what our next steps are? [..] try to figure out a less damaging knowledge-based filtering mechanism [..] It should cost some amount of money to post anything online on any social media platform: pay to post a tweet, article, image, comment, message, reply. (Incidentally, crypto social networks have this by default simply due to constraints in how blockchains work.)

This is a great idea to prevent bots, but that’s not who posts the bad stuff this thread is talking about. Wherever you set the threshold will determine a point of wealth where someone can no longer afford to speak on these platforms, and that inevitably will prevent change, which tends to come from the people not well-served by the system as it is, i.e. poor people. Is that your goal?

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 12:56 AM UTC

Der_Einzige wrote: post #421

bowsamic wrote: post #409

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I felt this way for the first 30 years of my life. Then I received treatment for depression (psychoanalysis) and finally tasted joy for the first time in my entire life. Now I love life. YMMV EDIT: If you’re interested what actually happened is that I was missing the prerequisite early childhood experience that enables one to feel secure in reality. If you check, all the people who have this feeling of philosophical/…

But psychoanalysis is literally psudoscientific nonsense. You got spooked.

Wow, thanks for your valuable contribution to the conversation!

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by ternnoburn » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 1:05 AM UTC

meiraleal wrote: post #401

ternnoburn wrote: post #374

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Render unrecognizable? Yeah, I guess that could be survivable, but it's definitely lethal intent.

That's possible with just a well placed punch to the nose or to one of the eyes. I've seen and done that, in public schools.

Uh... sure, maybe during the initial swelling. But that's temporarily rendered unrecognizable.

If you caused enough damage such that someone could not later be recognized, I wonder why you are not in prison.

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Post by CuriousRose » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 1:20 AM UTC

I wonder if using AI to turn images and video into a less realistic style before going to the moderators, while preserving the image content will work to reduce trauma as it creates an artificial barrier from seeing human torture. We used to watch cartoons as kids with people being blown to pieces.

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Post by zmgsabst » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 1:55 AM UTC

Eisenstein wrote: post #247

zmgsabst wrote: post #224

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Socratic questioning requires the asker to have a deeper understanding whereby they guide with their questions. Do you think that’s what people see in yours?

I don't know what people are seeing in my questions, but apparently they don't like answering them, because no one has. I'm trying to understand what people mean by 'detachment from reality' and how such a thing is related to 'understanding of mortality', and how a deeper understanding of mortality and acceptance of death would manifest in ways that can be seen. If 'acceptance of death' does not actually mean that th…

> I don't know what people are seeing in my questions, but apparently they don't like answering them

> I'm trying to understand

Wouldn’t people be responding poorly to your questions, because they seem facetious when that’s precisely what people mean? — and obviously so?

Eg, my niece dealt better with pets dying than other kids her age I’ve known since her family regularly slaughters chickens.

> people mean by 'detachment from reality' and how such a thing is related to 'understanding of mortality'

This too is so obvious that people think you’re responding in poor faith — eg, the professional managerial class has destroyed multiple cities by being so detached from reality that they no longer imprison career criminals, resulting in social breakdown not even seen in many third world countries.

That’s why I don’t think it’s Socratic questioning: just you not understanding the basic implications or yourself being unaware of reality.

> no one can explain why the questions I asked are not being answered or are wrong?

I did say why: you come across as arrogant and ignorant by asking seemingly facetious questions about obvious implications — then comparing yourself to Socrates for doing so.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by insane_dreamer » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 2:20 AM UTC

BoxFour wrote: post #327

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #321

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I've lived places where the cops make $100k+. It all depends on location.

Sorry - I'm specifically referring to EMTs and Paramedics, who usually make somewhere in the realm of $18-25 an hour.

Yikes that’s pretty shameful.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by kittikitti » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 3:50 AM UTC

Reddit mods could learn a thing or two from these people.

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Post by stickfigure » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 4:04 AM UTC

insane_dreamer wrote: post #233

yodsanklai wrote: post #215

I'm wondering if there are precedents in other domains. There are other jobs where you do see disturbing things as part of your duty. E.g. doctors, cops, first responders, prison guards and so on... What makes moderation different? and how should it be handled so that it reduces harm and risks? surely banning social media or not moderating content aren't options. AI helps to some extent but doesn't solve the issue en…

at least in the US, those jobs - doctors, cops, firefighters, first responders - are well compensated (not sure about prison guards), certainly compared to content moderators who are at the bottom of the totem pole in an org like FB

In my district, all the firefighers are volunteers (including me). Yeah, we deal with some crappy medical calls and sometimes deaths. It's nowhere near as dramatic as the non-first-responders in this thread seem to think.

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Post by stickfigure » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 4:07 AM UTC

IshKebab wrote: post #349

renewiltord wrote: post #264

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Rubbish. The reason Facebook doesn't want to demand ID for most users is that it adds friction to using their product, which means fewer users and less profit.

Sounds like Facebook and I have the same interest, then.