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More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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> Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Why 8 times less?

Because prices are determined by supply and demand

The same is true for poverty and the poor that will work for any amount, the cheap labor the rich needs to make riches.

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>the enclosure of the commons and that all land and productive equipment on Earth is private or state property and that it's virtually impossible to just go farm or hunt for yourself without being fucked with anymore, let alone do anything more advanced without being shut down violently. How would land allocation work without "enclosure of the commons"? Does it just become a free-for-all? What happens if you want to…

Elinor Ostrom covered this extensively in her Nobel Prize-winning work if you are genuinely interested. Enclosure of the commons is not the only solution to the problems.

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I'm no longer interested in getting a motorcycle, for similar reasons.

You’re only about 20x as likely to die on a motorcycle as in a car. What can I say? People like to live dangerously.

I suppose 20x a low number is still pretty low, especially given that number includes the squid factor.

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I have often wondered what would happen if social product orgs required all dev and product team members to temporarily rotate through moderation a couple times a year.

Yeah I've wondered the same thing about jobs in general too. Society would be a very different place if everyone had to do customer service or janitorial work one weekend a month.

Many (all?) Japanese schools don't have janitors. Instead students clean on rotation. Never been much into Japanese stuff but I absolutely admire this about their culture, and imagine it's part of the reason that Japan is such a clean and at least superficially respectful society.

Living in other Asian nations where there are often defacto invisible caste systems can be nauseating at times - you have parents that won't allow their children to participate in clean up efforts because their child is 'above handling trash.' That's gonna be one well adjusted adult...

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I watch surgery videos sometimes, out of fascination. It's not gore to me - sure it's flesh and blood but there is a person whose life is going to be probably significantly better afterwards. They are also not in pain. I exposed myself to actual gore vids in the aughts and teens... That stuff still sticks with me in a bad way. Context matters a lot.

> They are also not in pain. My understanding is that during surgery, your body is most definitely in pain. Your body still reacts as it would to any damage, but anesthetics block the pain signals from reaching the brain.

But there is a difference between someone making an effort healing someone else vs content with implications that something really disturbing happened that makes you lose faith in humanity.

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> Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Because it's exploitative otherwise. It's just exploiting the fact that they're imprisoned within borders.

Paying local market rates is not exploitative.

Artificially creating local market rates by trapping people is.

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> Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Because it's exploitative otherwise. It's just exploiting the fact that they're imprisoned within borders.

You haven't actually explained why it's bad, only slapped an evil sounding label on it. What's "exploitative" in this case and why is it morally wrong? >they're imprisoned within borders What's the implication of this then? That we remove all migration controls?

Of course. Not all at once, but gradually over time like the EU has begun to do. If capital and goods are free to move, then so must labor be. The labor market is very far from free if you think about it.

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I'm wondering if there are precedents in other domains. There are other jobs where you do see disturbing things as part of your duty. E.g. doctors, cops, first responders, prison guards and so on... What makes moderation different? and how should it be handled so that it reduces harm and risks? surely banning social media or not moderating content aren't options. AI helps to some extent but doesn't solve the issue en…

I think part of it is the disconnection from the things you're experiencing. A paramedic or firefighter is there, acting in the world, with a chance to do good and some understanding of how things can go wrong. A content moderator is getting images beamed into their brain that they have no preparation for, of situations that they have no connection to or power over.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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I'm wondering if there are precedents in other domains. There are other jobs where you do see disturbing things as part of your duty. E.g. doctors, cops, first responders, prison guards and so on... What makes moderation different? and how should it be handled so that it reduces harm and risks? surely banning social media or not moderating content aren't options. AI helps to some extent but doesn't solve the issue en…

I think part of it is the disconnection from the things you're experiencing. A paramedic or firefighter is there, acting in the world, with a chance to do good and some understanding of how things can go wrong. A content moderator is getting images beamed into their brain that they have no preparation for, of situations that they have no connection to or power over.

> A paramedic or firefighter is there, acting in the world, with a chance to do good and some understanding of how things can go wrong.

That's bullshit. Ever talked to a paramedic or firefighter?

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