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More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by itake »

0_____0 wrote: post #300
itake wrote: post #249

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I’d think the higher density/frequency of disturbing content would cause people to be desensitized. I never seen blood or gore in my life and find seeing it shocking. But I’d imagine gore is a weekly situation for surgeons.

I watch surgery videos sometimes, out of fascination. It's not gore to me - sure it's flesh and blood but there is a person whose life is going to be probably significantly better afterwards. They are also not in pain. I exposed myself to actual gore vids in the aughts and teens... That stuff still sticks with me in a bad way. Context matters a lot.

> They are also not in pain.

My understanding is that during surgery, your body is most definitely in pain. Your body still reacts as it would to any damage, but anesthetics block the pain signals from reaching the brain.

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Post by wyager »

meiraleal wrote: post #232
azinman2 wrote: post #175

> The moderators from Kenya and other African countries were tasked from 2019 to 2023 with checking posts emanating from Africa and in their own languages but were paid eight times less than their counterparts in the US, according to the claim documents Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Pretty sure FB doesn’t even pay the same to their engineers depending on where in the US they are, let alone which…

> Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Why 8 times less?

Because prices are determined by supply and demand

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Post by aquariusDue »

sellmesoap wrote: post #185
jkestner wrote: post #43

Borrowing the thought from Ed Zitron, but when you think about it, most of us are exposing ourselves to low-grade trauma when we step onto the internet now.

What's more; popular TV shows regularly have scenes that could cause trauma, the media has been ramping up the intensity of content for years. I think it's simply seeking more word of mouth 'did you see GoT last night? Oh my gosh so and so did such and such to so and so!'

It really became apparent to me when I watched the FX remake of Shogun, the 1980 version seems downright silly and carefree by comparison.

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Post by itake »

sd9 wrote: post #251
itake wrote: post #249

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I’d think the higher density/frequency of disturbing content would cause people to be desensitized. I never seen blood or gore in my life and find seeing it shocking. But I’d imagine gore is a weekly situation for surgeons.

I agree. But that might be comorbid with PTSD. It’s probably not good for you to be _that_ desensitised to this sort of thing. I also feel like there’s something intangible regarding intent that makes moderation different from being a doctor. It’s hard for me to put into words, but doctors see gore because they can hopefully do something to help the individual involved. Moderators see gore but are powerless to help t…

There are many common situations where professionals are helpless, like people that needs to clean up dead bodies after an accident.

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Post by itake »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #214
FabHK wrote: post #44

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The choice was between "we will upload your pictures unencrypted and do with them as we like, including scan them for CSAM" vs. "we will upload your pictures encrypted and keep them encrypted, but will make sure beforehand on your device only that there's no known CSAM among it".

> we will upload your pictures unencrypted and do with them as we like Curious, I did not realize Apple sent themselves a copy of all my data, even if I have no cloud account and don't share or upload anything. Is that true?

Apple doesn't do this. But other service providers do (Dropbox, Google, etc).

Other service providers can scan for CSAM from the cloud, but Apple cannot. So Apple might be one of the largest CSAM hosts in the world, due to this 'feature'.

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Post by fluoridation »

throwie21873 wrote: post #277
mcntsh wrote: post #228

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Interesting perspective. I wonder if you yourself take part in the exploitation by purchasing things made/grown in poor countries due to cost.

There's no ethical consumption under capitalism.

If that's the case then there can also be no ethical employment, either, both for employer and for employee. So that would seem to average out to neutrality.

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Post by guerrilla »

gruez wrote: post #324
guerrilla wrote: post #225

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That's only exploitation if you combine it with fact of the enclosure of the commons and that all land and productive equipment on Earth is private or state property and that it's virtually impossible to just go farm or hunt for yourself without being fucked with anymore, let alone do anything more advanced without being shut down violently.

>the enclosure of the commons and that all land and productive equipment on Earth is private or state property and that it's virtually impossible to just go farm or hunt for yourself without being fucked with anymore, let alone do anything more advanced without being shut down violently. How would land allocation work without "enclosure of the commons"? Does it just become a free-for-all? What happens if you want to…

Elinor Ostrom covered this extensively in her Nobel Prize-winning work if you are genuinely interested. Enclosure of the commons is not the only solution to the problems.

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Post by fluoridation »

apitman wrote: post #291
guerrilla wrote: post #225

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That's only exploitation if you combine it with fact of the enclosure of the commons and that all land and productive equipment on Earth is private or state property and that it's virtually impossible to just go farm or hunt for yourself without being fucked with anymore, let alone do anything more advanced without being shut down violently.

That's actually an interesting question. I would love to see some data on whether it really is impossible for the average person to live off the land if they wanted to. An adjacent question is whether there are too many people on the planet for that to be an option anymore even if it were legal.

>An adjacent question is whether there are too many people on the planet for that to be an option anymore even if it were legal.

Do you mean for everyone to be hunter-gatherers? Yes, that would be impossible. If you mean for a smaller number then it depends on the number.

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Post by wkat4242 »

guerrilla wrote: post #209
wkat4242 wrote: post #169

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> Footage of people being shot is actually allowed on many platforms. It's also part of almost every American cop and military show and movie. Of course it's not real but it looks the same.

> Of course it's not real but it looks the same. I beg to differ. TV shows and movies are silly. Action movies are just tough-guy dancing.

I mean more the gory parts. Blood, decomposed bodies everywhere etc.

And I wasn't talking about action hero movies.

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