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More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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What is it about partaking in or witnessing the killing of animals or humans that makes one more connected to reality?

In Japan, some sushi bars keep live fish in tanks that you can order to have served to you as sushi/sashimi. The chefs butcher and serve the fish right in front of you, and because it was alive merely seconds ago the meat will still be twitching when you get it. If they also serve the rest of the fish as decoration, the fish might still be gasping for oxygen. Japanese don't really think much of it, they're used to it…

Plenty of westerners are not as sheltered from their food as you. Have you never gone fishing and watched your catch die? Have you never boiled a live crab or lobster? You've clearly never gone hunting.

Not to mention the millions of Americans working in the livestock and agriculture business who see up close every day how food comes to be.

A significant portion of the American population engages directly with their food and the death process. Citing one gimmicky example of Asian culture where squirmy seafood is part of the show doesn't say anything about the culture of entire nations. That is not how the majority of Japanese consume seafood. It's just as anomalous there. You only know about it because it's unusual enough to get reported.

You can pick your lobster out of the tank and eat it at American restaurants too. Oysters and clams on the half-shell are still alive when we eat them.

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I'm wondering if there are precedents in other domains. There are other jobs where you do see disturbing things as part of your duty. E.g. doctors, cops, first responders, prison guards and so on... What makes moderation different? and how should it be handled so that it reduces harm and risks? surely banning social media or not moderating content aren't options. AI helps to some extent but doesn't solve the issue en…

I don’t have any experience with this, so take this with a pinch of salt. What seems novel about moderation is the frequency that you confront disturbing things. I imagine companies like Meta have such good automated moderation that what remains to be viewed by a human is practically a firehose of almost certainly disturbing shit. And as soon as you’re done with one post, the next is right there. I doubt moderators s…

Also a doctor is paid $$$$$ and it mostly is a vocational job

Content moderator is a min wage job with bad working hours, no psychological support, and you spend your day looking at rape, child porn, torture and executions.

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Perhaps this is what happens when someone creates a mega-sized website comprising hundreds of millions of pages using other peoples' submitted material, effectively creating a website that is too large to "moderate". By letting the public publish their material on someone else's mega-sized website instead of hosting their own, perhaps it concentrates the web audience to make it more suitable for advertising. Perhaps…

It's a problem when you don't verify the identity of your users and hold them responsible for illegal things. If Facebook verified you were John D SSN 123-45-6789 they could report you for uploading CSAM and otherwise permanently block you from using the site if uploading objectionable material; meaning only exposure to horrific things is only necessary once per banned user. I would expect that to be orders of magnit…

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A friend's friend is a paramedic and as far as I remember they can take the rest of a day off after witnessing death on duty and there's an obligatory consulation with a mental healthcare specialist. From reading the article, it seems like those moderators are seeing horrific things almost constantly throughout the day.

I've never heard of a policy like that for physicians and doubt it's common for paramedics. I work in an ICU and a typical day involves a death or resuscitation. We would run out of staff with that policy.

Maybe a different country than yours ?

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> The moderators from Kenya and other African countries were tasked from 2019 to 2023 with checking posts emanating from Africa and in their own languages but were paid eight times less than their counterparts in the US, according to the claim documents Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Pretty sure FB doesn’t even pay the same to their engineers depending on where in the US they are, let alone which…

> Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Why 8 times less?

Because that’s the only reason why anyone would hire them. If you’ve ever worked with this kind of contract workforce they aren’t really worth it without massive cost-per-unit-work savings. I suppose one could argue it’s better that they be unemployed than work in this job but they always choose otherwise when given the choice.

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The point is that most Western audiences would likely find it unpleasant to be there for the slaughtering and butchering from scratch.

That the point is being repeated to no effect ironically illustrates how most modern people (westerners?) are detached from reality with regards to food.

To me, the logical conclusion is that they don't agree with your example and think that you are making connections that aren't evidenced from it.

I think you are doing the same exact thing with the above statement as well.

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They are not wrong. Do you know any mechanism other than markets that work at scale and that don’t cost a bomb and don’t involve abusive central authority?

Tech billionaires usually advocate for some kind of return to the gilded age, with minimal workers rights and corporate tax. Markets were freer back then, how did that work out for the average man? Markets alone don't do anything for the average quality of life.

Quality of life for the average man now is way better than it was at any time in history. A fact.

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I don’t have any experience with this, so take this with a pinch of salt. What seems novel about moderation is the frequency that you confront disturbing things. I imagine companies like Meta have such good automated moderation that what remains to be viewed by a human is practically a firehose of almost certainly disturbing shit. And as soon as you’re done with one post, the next is right there. I doubt moderators s…

I’d think the higher density/frequency of disturbing content would cause people to be desensitized. I never seen blood or gore in my life and find seeing it shocking. But I’d imagine gore is a weekly situation for surgeons.

Desensitization is only one stage of it. It's not permanent & requires dissociation from reality/humanity on some level. But that stuff is likely to come back and haunt one in some way. If not, it's likely a symptom of something deeper going on.

My guess is that's why it's after bulldozing hundreds of Palestinians, instead of 1 or 10s of them, that Israeli soldiers report PTSD.

If you haven't watched enough videos of the ongoing genocides in the world to realize this, it'll be a challenge to have a realistic take on this article.

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Socratic questioning requires the asker to have a deeper understanding whereby they guide with their questions. Do you think that’s what people see in yours?

I don't know what people are seeing in my questions, but apparently they don't like answering them, because no one has. I'm trying to understand what people mean by 'detachment from reality' and how such a thing is related to 'understanding of mortality', and how a deeper understanding of mortality and acceptance of death would manifest in ways that can be seen. If 'acceptance of death' does not actually mean that th…

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