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Decline in teen drug use continues, surprising experts

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Re: Decline in teen drug use continues, surprising experts

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Post by codr7 »

PittleyDunkin wrote: post #34
codr7 wrote: post #7

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Some do, and that's fine too.

LSD is not a drug that you can develop an addiction to. Habit is one thing—some people take it regularly—but it doesn't work very well if you do take it frequently. Which is not to say that LSD can't potentially be harmful. Of course it can. But it's not very analogous to the typically destructive drugs (alcohol, amphetamines, strong opiates) and it's not going to mess with your dopamine the way they do.

You can develop a psychological addiction to any experience, and some like LSD.

Once every week or so for a while is perfectly doable.

Agreed, very different kinds of substances.

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Post by tomrod »

chaps wrote: post #554
tomrod wrote: post #501

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That you used a forced analogy (even if experiential) and ethos in a policy discussion? Sure, I can see that. I can even see blaming drugs for mental health issues and addiction despite the causality really being screwy if you try to force it that way. It's okay to be wrong, even when emotional, so long as we learn from it.

Friend, your lack of consideration that you might be wrong or that I'm wrong, absolutely-fullstop, is telling. I stand by what I said.

Telling is that you expect folks to introspect because you're failing to admit rhetorically twisting the head off the chicken of an argument.

We thus persist. Pleasant evenin' to you sir or madame.

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Post by emchammer »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #6

I wonder if the new drug of choice is actually technology. In some ways I think that the addiction to technology has some similar mellowing effects as drugs. Some research indicates that smartphone addiction is also related to low self-esteem and avoidant attachment [1] and that smartphones can become an object of attachment [2]. The replacement of drugs by technology is not surprising as it significantly strengthens…

It was not until I recently set up Screen Time in macOS that I realized how much I was being distracted from applying myself to the specific creative endeavor that I have set for myself. It works per-application and across devices, and it is a real benefit compared to the iptables rules I had set up before. I have web, news and other things on Downtime from midnight to noon daily, and throughout the Sabbath. It brings clarity to do the most important things first in the day.

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Post by makeitdouble »

bbarn wrote: post #393
makeitdouble wrote: post #162

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> have been delaying adulthood If you have kids, do you see them as less mature than how you perceived yourself at their age ? TBH I feel the opposite: current kids have a lot more to deal with, and are expected to be much much more down to earth than a few decades ago. The most basic things: a single post on an SNS can stick with them for the rest of their life, yet we moved half of our social life online.

By 17 I was on my own and joining the military. My daughter is 25 and just got her first real job out of college. By her age I had a 6 year old child (her). I'm not saying I took the right path (I didn't) but the level of maturity I had at her age was vastly different. Her peers are all similar, and when I was young many of mine were similar to me. I do thing generationally / culturally there's a difference.

> I'm not saying I took the right path (I didn't)

Not picking on your personal experience, but if you see it as a mistake, wouldn't it be a sign you weren't mature enough to take the right decision ?

Now, having a kid definitely accelerate that maturing process. But without a solid parental environment (which was common at some point, especially with the grand parents being around) it's a recipe for disaster, I wouldn't see it as an appropriate path for most in this day and age.

I see your point on much of a change it makes to have fewer young adults already being parents. That's definitely impacting.

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Post by makeitdouble »

titanomachy wrote: post #540
makeitdouble wrote: post #217

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I understand how much people are emotionally reactive to these part of the net, and the cultural hatred some can have for "unproductive" time (does it match what you call "time sinks"?) I still don't think they stand on the same foot as vodka.

I find it easy to drink in moderation because I only do it socially. One or two drinks at a dinner party has never cost me a day of work. But I have spent a whole morning in bed scrolling Instagram Reels instead of going in to work. Passive consumption of short-form videos lacks that social feedback mechanism that keeps my behavior in check. It’s easy to stay up way later than I meant to and be wrecked the next day.…

Would you say the same for people looking at the clouds passing by the window ?

Should we classify these clouds as worse than alcohol because they were looked at alone in a room instead of doing some other work ?

To get more personal, I had a CD player as my alarm in the morning, and a few times skipped worked because I couldn't get myself to stop the playing album. I didn't blame the CD.

That's also how I realized that job was well paying but otherwise really shitty.

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Post by Spooky23 »

cluckindan wrote: post #357
Spooky23 wrote: post #354

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I think it’s not technology as a thing people are hooked to - it’s taken over social life. My 13 year old and his buddies socialize online, period. In person stuff is mostly organized. That is helped by school policy that got rid of the idea of a neighborhood school. Additionally, the social activities that coalesced around things like alcohol are out of reach of many teens. I live in a city that had a very active co…

”My 13 year old and his buddies socialize online, period.” Nothing new under the sun. Me and my friends were like that 30 something years ago.

Fair. But you didn’t have teams of MIT PhDs driving your engagement upward.

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Post by starluz »

maccard wrote: post #285
lazystar wrote: post #251

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playing devils advocate for a minute... isnt that similar to what our parents said in the 80's/90's about our generation? all that "tv and phone" brain rot

Yes. And what the previous generation said about rock music. Celebrities and “socialites” have been idolised for years - Paris Hilton certainly isn’t the doing of this generation, neither is Jackie Kennedy. If you think that what we’re doing with mobile apps and social media is new, take a look at the 20th century a little harder.

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Post by mmooss »

MarcelOlsz wrote: post #563
mmooss wrote: post #557

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Look up what people in Poland did to help Jewish Poles when the Nazis came in. Someone whose family was from a small town in Poland made a documentary about it maybe 10 years ago. Generations later people in the town were still covering up that their ancestors put the Jewish neighbors in a barn and set it on fire, and still strongly discouraging asking any questions. What happened to the property of the large Jewish…

Yes I am aware of the "szmalcowniki", those that extorted Jews for profit and it is unfortunate. Are you aware of underground organizations like Żegota? Or Jan Karski who risked his life to document the Warsaw ghetto and providing munitions to the Jewish fighters in the uprising? Or the thousands of families that helped aid Jews like the Ulma family killed with the family they were hiding, or nun Matylda Getter who r…

I'm not saying nobody in Poland did anything, but that isn't the standard. I think this is the story:

https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/film-about-massacr...

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