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You think people who took these jobs had a list of job offers and were jumping for joy to be able to pick this one out? Or that they stuck with it after the first 5 minutes of moderating necrophilia because they believed other jobs would have similar downsides? You’re so out of touch with the real world and hardships people face trying to make a living for themselves and their family.
I’m curious of other perspectives and conclusions on this. Why do you think Facebook is the responsible party and not the purveyors of the content that caused them PTSD? From my perspective, Facebook hired people to prevent this content from reaching a wider audience. Thanks for any insight you can provide.
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They aren’t exploited. They’re paid money in return for viewing and filtering content for others. They could not apply or decline the offer and look at other jobs. The availability of this job doesn’t change the rest of their employment options. But it’s pretty clear what this job is. If it was just looking at friendly content, it wouldn’t need to exist.
Exploitation nearly always involves paying. Plenty of people caught up in sex trafficking still get paid, they just don't have a viable way out. Plenty of people working in sweat shops still get paid, but again not enough with enough viable alternatives to get out.
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Maybe.. apple had a lot of backlash using AI to detect CSAM.
Probably because you need to feed it child porn so it can detect it...
If the automated process flags something as a potential hit, then they, the humans, would then review those images to verify. Every image/video that is discovered to be a hit is also inserted into a larger dataset as well. I can't remember if the Feds have their own DB (why wouldn't they?), but the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children run a database that I believe government agencies use too. Not to mention, companies like Dropbox, Google, etc.. all has against the database(s) as well.
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#134I worked at FB for almost 2 years. (I left as soon as I could, I knew it wasn't a good fit for me.) I had an Uber from the campus one day, and my driver, a twenty-something girl, was asking how to become a moderator. I told her, "no amount of money would be enough for me to do that job. Don't do it." I don't know if she eventually got the job, but I hope she didn't.
I have often wondered what would happen if social product orgs required all dev and product team members to temporarily rotate through moderation a couple times a year.
Society would be a very different place if everyone had to do customer service or janitorial work one weekend a month.
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#135Perhaps if looking at pictures of disturbing things on the internet gives you PTSD than this isn’t the kind of job for you? Not everyone can be a forensic investigator or coroner, too. I know lots of people who can and do look at horrible pictures on the internet and have been doing so for 20+ years with no ill effects.
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I didn’t make any claims about me. Read it again, more carefully, before making personal attacks.
> Perhaps if looking at pictures of disturbing things on the internet gives you PTSD than this isn’t the kind of job for you? Perhaps these are jobs people are forced to do because the price of labour isn't as rich as other countries, trafficked and the likes. > I know lots of people who can and do look at horrible pictures on the internet and have been doing so for 20+ years with no ill effects. Looking at is differ…
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#137I worked at FB for almost 2 years. (I left as soon as I could, I knew it wasn't a good fit for me.) I had an Uber from the campus one day, and my driver, a twenty-something girl, was asking how to become a moderator. I told her, "no amount of money would be enough for me to do that job. Don't do it." I don't know if she eventually got the job, but I hope she didn't.
I have often wondered what would happen if social product orgs required all dev and product team members to temporarily rotate through moderation a couple times a year.
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I’m curious of other perspectives and conclusions on this. Why do you think Facebook is the responsible party and not the purveyors of the content that caused them PTSD? From my perspective, Facebook hired people to prevent this content from reaching a wider audience. Thanks for any insight you can provide.
Maybe the solution is that Facebook shouldn't exist. It solves both the problem of distribution and the problem of moderation.
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#139Worked at PornHub's parent company for a bit and the moderation floor had a noticeable depressive vibe. Huge turnover. Can't imagine what these people were subjected to.
You don't mention the year(s), but I recently listened to Jordan Peterson's podcast episode 503. One Woman’s War on P*rnhub | Laila Mickelwait. I will go ahead and assume that on the wild/carefree time of PornHub, when anyone could be able to upload anything and everything, from what that lady said, the numbers of pedophilia videos, bestiality, etc. was rampant.
Laila Mickelwait is a director at Exodus Cry, formerly known as Morality in Media (yes, that's their original name). Exodus Cry/Morality in Media is an explicitly Christian organization that openly seeks to outlaw all forms of pornography, in addition to outlawing abortion and many gay rights including marriage. Their funding comes largely from right-wing Christian fundamentalist and fundamentalist-aligned groups.
Aside from the fact that she has an axe to grind, both she (as an individual) and the organization she represents have a long history of misrepresentating facts or outright lying in order to support their agenda. They also intentionally and openly refer to all forms of sex work (from consensual pornography to stripping to sexual intercourse) as "trafficking", against the wishes of survivors of actual sex trafficking, who have extensively document why Exodus Cry actually perpetuates harm against sex trafficking victims.
> everything, from what that lady said, the numbers of pedophilia videos, bestiality, etc. was rampant.
This was disproven long ago. Pornhub was actually quite good about proactively flagging and blocking CSAM and other objectionable content. Ironically (although not surprisingly, if you're familiar with the industry), Facebook was two to three orders of magnitude worse than Pornhub.
But of course, Facebook is not targeted by Exodus Cry because their mission - as you can tell by their original name of "Morality in Media" - is to ban pornography on the Internet, and going after Facebook doesn't fit into that mission, even though Facebook is actually way worse for victims of CSAM and trafficking.
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#140Btw, it’s probably a different team handling copyright claims, but my run-in with Meta’s moderation gives me the impression that they’re probably horrifically understaffed. I was helping a Chinese content creator friend taking down Instagram, YouTube and TikTok accounts re-uploading her content and/or impersonating her (she doesn’t have any presence on these platforms and doesn’t intend to). Reported to TikTok twice, got it done once within a few hours (I was impressed) and once within three days. Reported to YouTube once and it was handled five or six days later. No further action was needed from me after submitting the initial form in either case. Instagram was something else entirely; they used Facebook’s reporting system, the reporting form was the worst, it asked for very little information upfront but kept sending me emails afterwards asking for more information, then eventually radio silence. I sent follow-ups asking about progress, again, radio silence. Impersonation account with outright stolen content is still up till this day.