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More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

shadowgovt wrote: post #24
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Large scale and super sick perpetrators exist (as compared to small scale ones who do mildly sick stuff) because Facebook is a global network and there is a benefit to operating on such a large platform. The sicker you are, while getting away with it, the more reward you get. Switch to a federated social systems like Mastodon, with only a few thousand or ten thousand users per instance, and perpetrators will never be…

Tricky. It also gives perpetrators a lot more places to hide. I think the jury is out on whether a few centralized networks or a fediverse makes it harder for attackers to reach potential targets (or customers).

The purpose of facebook moderators (besides legal compliance) is to protect normal people from the "sick" people. In a federated network, of course, such people will create their own instances, and hide there. But then no one is harmed from them, because all such instances will be banned quite quickly, same as all spam email hosts are blocked very quickly by everyone else.

From a normal person perspective on not seeing bad stuff, the design of a federated network is inherently better than a global network.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by eesmith »

gklitz wrote: post #31
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #8

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If you pay someone to deliver post, and they get their leg blown of because you order them to go through a minefield, you can’t just avoid responsibility by going “that’s what they signed up for” obviously the responsibility of ensuring that the job can be carried out not physically and r safe is with the employer and workers are well within reason to demand compensation if the employer hasn’t ensured the job can be…

I think a better example is mining, where miners received no safety equipment, and the mines were not built with safety foremost.

The idea was, if you didn't like it, leave. If you wanted safety equipment, buy it yourself. Or leave. Can't work due to black lung disease partially from poor ventilation the company was responsible for? You're fired; should have left years ago.

There are still people who believe the contract is all that counts, nothing else matters, and if you don't like it, leave.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by wruza »

sneak wrote: post #18

Perhaps if looking at pictures of disturbing things on the internet gives you PTSD than this isn’t the kind of job for you? Not everyone can be a forensic investigator or coroner, too. I know lots of people who can and do look at horrible pictures on the internet and have been doing so for 20+ years with no ill effects.

It isn’t known in advance though. These people went to that job and got psychiatric diseases that, considering the thirdworldiness, they are unlikely to get rid of.

I’m not talking about obvious “scream and run away” reaction here. One may think that it doesn’t affect them or people on the internet, but then it suddenly does after they binge it all day for a year.

The fact that not less than 100% got PTSD should be telling something here.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by throw_m239339 »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #8

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> It’s the job they signed up for. I don’t understand the complaint. If they don’t want to do the part of the job that is obviously core to it, they should move on. The mass diagnosis just seems like a tactic to generate “evidence”. And the mention of pay compared to other countries makes this look like a bad faith lawsuit to get more compensation.

its also their right to sue their employer for damage if they believe it affected them in a extremely harmful way. signing up for a job doesnt make the employer above the law.

But some here can't fathom that workers also have rights.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by thrance »

neilv wrote: post #5

If I was a tech billionaire, and there was so much uploading of stuff so bad, that it was giving my employee/contractors PTSD, I think I'd find a way to stop the perpetrators. (I'm not saying that I'd assemble a high-speed yacht full of commandos, who travel around the world, righting wrongs when no one else can. Though that would be more compelling content than most streaming video episodes right now. So you could o…

If you were a tech billionaire you'd be a sociopath like the others and wouldn't give a single f about this. You'd be going on podcasts to tell the world that markets will fix everything if given the chance.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by eesmith »

sneak wrote: post #18

Perhaps if looking at pictures of disturbing things on the internet gives you PTSD than this isn’t the kind of job for you? Not everyone can be a forensic investigator or coroner, too. I know lots of people who can and do look at horrible pictures on the internet and have been doing so for 20+ years with no ill effects.

The 100+ years of research on PTSD, starting from shell shock studies in WWI shows that PTSD isn't so simple.

Some people come out with no problems, while their trenchmate facing almost identical situations suffers for the rest of their lives.

In this case, the claim is that "it traumatised 100% of hundreds of former moderators tested for PTSD … In any other industry, if we discovered 100% of safety workers were being diagnosed with an illness caused by their work, the people responsible would be forced to resign and face the legal consequences for mass violations of people’s rights."

Do those people you know look at horrible pictures on the internet for 8-10 hours each day?

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by llm_trw »

almog wrote: post #40
llm_trw wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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But we're not talking about an 80's christian mom since you proceeded to make the observation that "People are outraged by whatever they are told to be outraged over and ignore everything that they aren't". Which is to say, being exposed to extreme violent/abusive content could only cause PTSD iff one is subject to a specific social construct that define these acts in a certain way. Let's just assume you're right, wh…

The answer is in the question: Whoever has been raised in a culture that doesn't make a big deal out of whatever the given content is.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by _yb2s »

llm_trw wrote: post #12
neilv wrote: post #5

If I was a tech billionaire, and there was so much uploading of stuff so bad, that it was giving my employee/contractors PTSD, I think I'd find a way to stop the perpetrators. (I'm not saying that I'd assemble a high-speed yacht full of commandos, who travel around the world, righting wrongs when no one else can. Though that would be more compelling content than most streaming video episodes right now. So you could o…

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Equating outrage to PTSD is absolute nonsense. As someone that lives with a PTSD sufferer, it is an extremely severe and debilitating condition that has nothing to do with “outrage” and can’t be caused by seeing people kiss.

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by llm_trw »

shadowgovt wrote: post #20
llm_trw wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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In this context, this is dangerously close to asserting "people are only outraged about CSAM because they're told to be." I don't think that's what you mean.

It is exactly what I mean.

If you don't nurture that outrage every day than you'd be rather surprised what can happen to a culture in a single generation.

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