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Re: Squirrels hunting and eating meat

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There are many different species of squirrel, and different species have different diets. Knowing nothing about where your parent's house is but guessing it is somewhere in the US if I had to bet I'd bet that the squirrels there are Eastern gray squirrels. They are native to the Eastern US but have taken up residence in much of the rest of the country. One of the reasons they do well outside of their native habitat i…

In Minneapolis, MN, there is a historical plaque that notes the day and location of the first gray squirrels introduced to the city as a gift from Seattle/Washington. It’s in Loring Park. So kind of opposite direction.

That's interesting, so I searched for more information.

Does the plaque actually say Seattle or just Washington? What I found [1] suggests the squirrels were introduced around 1909 and came from Washington DC, bought from this guy [2].

Here's a summary, but read the article I linked. I'm leaving out lots of interesting details.

Unlike Seattle, the problem in Minneapolis wasn't that the native squirrels didn't like the trees. The park had plenty of native red squirrels.

The problem was that Theodore Wirth, the park supervisor, hated red squirrels. He thought they killed too many songbirds, and he loved songbirds. Red squirrels did occasionally eat songbird eggs but the actual main threat to songbirds in the park was humans.

Red squirrels are also very territorial and aggressively defend that territory. They are happy to live off the food the trees provide so don't really warm up to humans. Instead they yell at humans to try to drive them away.

Grays love to eat all kind of things, and so quickly come to see humans as friendly bringers of all kinds of food.

To address this perceived red squirrel problem Thomas ordered park police to execute all the red squirrels and brought in the Eastern gray squirrels.

The grays adapted so well that by the 1930s some people were complaining:

> They adapted to city life so eagerly that by 1930, the Tribune was lamenting that Loring Park's squirrels had become spoiled "cream-puff squirrels" that bore little resemblance to their ancestral "true" gray squirrel of the American wilderness.

> "Any day in Loring Park a squirrel may choose between ice cream cones, cake and a dozen kinds of sweetmeats, or enjoy all of them to his capacity," the Tribune reported. "Instinctively they still store acorns from the old oaks. But it is a lackadaisical effort."

[1] https://www2.startribune.com/gray-red-squirrels-theodore-wir...

[2] https://www.ebay.com/itm/395169313155

Re: Squirrels hunting and eating meat

#53
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Apparently cows are happy to eat nestlings if they happen to find a bird's nest while they're grazing. If you're an animal, there's no food better than meat.

That would only be true if you have the stomach biome to digest and extract the nutrients. What is the point of eating something that is hard to process and digest and has no nutritional value for you For herbivores, meat is objectively bad food .

>What is the point of eating something that is hard to process and digest and has no nutritional value for you

Wouldn't that make it dietary fiber then? What's functionally dietary fiber varies from species to species, but like with humans we eat things exactly like that for GI health. Birds of prey for instance eat casting (fur and feathers) which is functionally like dietary fiber for them where it would be unhealthy if you just gave them a steak without having them also eat the indigestible bits as they wouldn't be able to properly form and regurgitate pellets. Certain animals might not need something that functions like dietary fiber but for at least certain animals - like humans - eating certain indigestible things is important for good health.

Re: Squirrels hunting and eating meat

#54

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You should try raising cows on a carnivore diet.

The cows would be happy, but that would be significantly more expensive than feeding them plants. Note that mad cow disease came from feeding cows to cows. Giving them meat isn't exactly an innovation.

It's as deluded as raising cats on a vegan diet.

Re: Squirrels hunting and eating meat

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I've always known squirrels to eat birds. The fact that scientists are new to this fact is what is surprising. It might just be that the headline is bad and the literature is simply describing vole predation. Anecdata: https://www.reddit.com/r/zoology/comments/2bypwd/i_saw_a_gra... https://www.reddit.com/r/birding/comments/1d1ddnv/birdhouses... https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/14715zj/squirrel_eatin... (graphic…

In the context of H5N1, this gives some new insight of the likelihood of the virus jumping species. Birds are everywhere, squirrels in urban environments moreso.

> In the context of H5N1, this gives some new insight of the likelihood of the virus jumping species. Birds are everywhere, squirrels in urban environments moreso.

The H5N1 hype is not new. They have just reactivated now. My opinion is that the revenue of pharma giants has decreased after Covid, so they are looking at new sources of revenue.

Re: Squirrels hunting and eating meat

#56
post #8

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That would only be true if you have the stomach biome to digest and extract the nutrients. What is the point of eating something that is hard to process and digest and has no nutritional value for you For herbivores, meat is objectively bad food .

You're wrong. Cows will eat meat, horses will eat meat, pigs will eat meat, chickens will eat meat, deer will eat meat. If they can get it in their mouth, they will eat it.

> pigs will eat meat, chickens will eat meat,

pigs and chicken are omnivorous.

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