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Decline in teen drug use continues, surprising experts

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Re: Decline in teen drug use continues, surprising experts

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Post by AnarchismIsCool »

speakfreely wrote: post #391
_qbxi wrote: post #53

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First-time home owners have increased in age[0], the middle class is shrinking[1], education costs have vastly outpaced inflation[2] as have medical costs[3]. Perhaps the generalized fear is not so much about "coddling", but concrete realities. I do not envy them. [0] https://www.axios.com/2023/11/20/american-housing-market-old... [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/04/20/how-the-a... [2] https://www.usn…

First-time home buyers are getting squeezed by a combination of peaking market forces, but those forces are peaking and we're probably seeing the worst of it at this moment [1]. It will get better. [1] https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-i-dont-inv...

Their arguments for "won't go up much" are reasonable but their arguments for "will actually fall enough to allow two generations to finally own homes" are pretty fucking nonsensical.

They're comparing to hosting dips in the world wars and while I assure you ww3 will have enough loss of life to make houses quite cheap a third time, you still won't want them because they'll be covered in radioactive contamination.

The issue isn't blind supply and demand, it's that we've made construction expensive through code and arbitrary supply chain constraints and we're planning to deport all the construction workers. Even if population grown naturally slows to zero we will simply stop building houses because it won't be profitable. That's what got us here in the first place.

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Post by kortilla »

mr_toad wrote: post #146
jolmg wrote: post #131

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> you typically need to be unsupervised with friends to get into drugs, something teenagers no longer have access to compared to 10-15 years ago. They don't? I'm pretty sure I saw unsupervised teens hanging out at a mall even just a few days ago.

Gen X’s will probably remember being unsupervised from about the age they learned to ride a bike. I think we were the last “get home before dark” generation.

Millennials were the same for the ones born in the late 80s and early 90s.

Re: Decline in teen drug use continues, surprising experts

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

bluejekyll wrote: post #428
jorvi wrote: post #336

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I’m very much for legalizing and regulating (almost) all drugs, but watch out with the confirmation bias of “everyone in my social circle who used recreationally turned out fine.” I can’t find it right now but I read a great comment on legalization that pointed out that a kid experimenting with weed and cocaine in college is doing so for a radically different reason than a kid doing it escape the daily misery of his…

The primary reason to legalize isn’t to make it easier to do drugs, it’s to not use the justice and court system for dealing with addiction problems. Our goal should be to legalize use and then take the money saved from police enforcement and funnel that into programs that get people off drugs. In the US an issue is that the latter part is part of the healthcare system, and we all know that has a lot of issues in ser…

Several states have tried that. Some have already repealed the laws because they were a disaster.

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Post by chaps »

knome wrote: post #449
chaps wrote: post #430

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Imagine hearing someone's loved one dying to drug use and asking them, "But isn't this a false correlation?". What a deeply and unsettlingly cold question that lacks any potential for empathy.

I disagree entirely, and I have personally witnessed people lose themselves to drug use. Anyone with a relative dying of addiction has no doubt been long exhausted in watching them circle the pit of their addiction. They are going to be under no illusions regarding the chances there were to escape it, and the choices made to remain there. Asking if they were escaping from a miserable reality vs chasing a high isn't o…

I disagree with your characterization of my comment and I think you greatly missed the point I was making. The OP presented a false dichotomy as if these things aren't woven in with each other in a large feedback loop.

You comment falsely assumes that I don't have familiarity or loss stemming from addiction.

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Post by knome »

chaps wrote: post #454
knome wrote: post #449

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I disagree entirely, and I have personally witnessed people lose themselves to drug use. Anyone with a relative dying of addiction has no doubt been long exhausted in watching them circle the pit of their addiction. They are going to be under no illusions regarding the chances there were to escape it, and the choices made to remain there. Asking if they were escaping from a miserable reality vs chasing a high isn't o…

I disagree with your characterization of my comment and I think you greatly missed the point I was making. The OP presented a false dichotomy as if these things aren't woven in with each other in a large feedback loop. You comment falsely assumes that I don't have familiarity or loss stemming from addiction.

You've had multiple people "misunderstand" your comment. I suggest reconsidering how you express whatever it is you are trying to say, as I and the others are responding to what you managed to actually communicate, whether that message was your intended one or no.

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

siruncledrew wrote: post #406

I wonder if this decline means the public health campaigning and lessons about drinking/smoking/drugs prevention made a difference? As 1 data point, I have a cousin who is 17, and I am 35. As a 17 year old, she's been taught the dangers of cigarettes, that drinking is bad, and to avoid drugs for a number of years already. I'm not saying this is bad... it just feels like previous generations (Millennials, Gen X, Boome…

I'm one of those people that growing up, was bombarded with negative talk about drink, drugs etc. So I took more. And will continue to do so.

Guess my age?

I give my kids my* advice. One had a 6 month period of getting fucked up, and now doesn't touch anything. Another, 'doesn't inhale', and has never touched alcohol.

They have also learned to shut the fuck up when being lectured by some teacher that is parrotting (sp?) the party line, and they howl at the 'touch drugs snd you'll become an addict' government bullshit.

My conclusion?

1/100: Scientists need to be young now to understand,

Re: Decline in teen drug use continues, surprising experts

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Post by tokioyoyo »

jaco6 wrote: post #50

Two things: Even the “cool kids” are staying inside and using their phones all day. Cool used to mean you were at the party, now it just means you have a high snapchat score. Other thing is genuine fear of accidental fentanyl consumption. They’re making fake Xans with fentanyl in them, fentanyl is being found in coke powder. Plenty of people aren’t taking the risk with street drugs anymore. Jelly Roll said so in an i…

There just isn’t just one type of “cool” anymore. Media is extremely targeted and everyone interacts within their own bubbles to the point where they don’t know about the other bubbles. There are artists with 1B+ streams that I haven’t heard of, because none of the algorithms ever recommended it to me.

Same applies to “cool”ness, as there aren’t a handful of tastemakers that decide on “what’s more or less cool for a given environment”.

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Post by chaps »

knome wrote: post #455
chaps wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with your characterization of my comment and I think you greatly missed the point I was making. The OP presented a false dichotomy as if these things aren't woven in with each other in a large feedback loop. You comment falsely assumes that I don't have familiarity or loss stemming from addiction.

You've had multiple people "misunderstand" your comment. I suggest reconsidering how you express whatever it is you are trying to say, as I and the others are responding to what you managed to actually communicate, whether that message was your intended one or no.

It has been put into consideration. But now that we've made it clear that there have been ~ misunderstandings ~, can you try to see where I'm coming from now? :)

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Post by knome »

chaps wrote: post #458
knome wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've had multiple people "misunderstand" your comment. I suggest reconsidering how you express whatever it is you are trying to say, as I and the others are responding to what you managed to actually communicate, whether that message was your intended one or no.

It has been put into consideration. But now that we've made it clear that there have been ~ misunderstandings ~, can you try to see where I'm coming from now? :)

No, I don't know what you intended to say there if not what I initially read it as. It seems a straightforward reading to me.

Re: Decline in teen drug use continues, surprising experts

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Post by derwiki »

qwertox wrote: post #431
tirant wrote: post #280

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I fear the (negative) impact of our current technological drugs goes beyond the impact of traditional drugs. I’ve seen kids not even 3-4 years old already hooked to smartphone screens. Even toddlers around 1 year old with an smartphone mount in their stroller. Main impact on kids is lack of socialization, lack of emotional regulation and a complete impact on their capabilities to keep their attention. Those used to b…

> I’ve seen kids not even 3-4 years old already hooked to smartphone screens. Even toddlers around 1 year old with an smartphone mount in their stroller. Now imagine that they would not be engaging with silly YouTube videos, but with an AI trying to get them to interact with them in order to learn to speak, to learn about the world. Things which parents can't dedicate enough time to. Then also give the kids ideas for…

Sounds like “A Young Lady’s Illustrated Primer” by Stephenson
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