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Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by maratc »

0898 wrote: post #243
unsnap_biceps wrote: post #110

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It only complains once that the battery is low and never again, I've run into a dead battery when searching for an AirTag multiple times.

I read somewhere that the AirTag doesn’t actually know whether it’s low on battery or not. The alert is just triggered after a preprogrammed time.

In my experience with different kinds of batteries, from the cheapest to the more expensive ones, the AirTag holds between 3 and 9 months until it starts warning about battery, so what you’ve read does not line up with my experience.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by franga2000 »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #474
TuringNYC wrote: post #450

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IANAL but the hammer doesnt include an ongoing service, but the AirTag is facilitated with a constant service from the manufacturer.

Also AirTags are meant for tracking personal possessions. Hammers aren't meant for murder. Murder is an off-label use of hammers. If AirTags stopped notifying users they're being tracked, then AirTags would also be meant for tracking people.

> If AirTags stopped notifying users they're being tracked, then AirTags would also be meant for tracking people.

What?? That's like by not including a sound device that screams "look out, you're being murdered!" on every hammer when it's swung, manufacturers are saying their hammers are also intended for murder.

Now that Apple has this feature, sure, removing it might raise some eyebrows, but the theft tracking use-case is so obvious and useful that no judge would ever believe that Apple did this specifically to enable stalking.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by mosselman »

chii wrote: post #357
mikeortman wrote: post #256

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Just be careful! In SOME jurisdictions, you can get in trouble for 'stealing' if you take back something that was stolen. Possession vs Ownership are 2 different things. For instance, the thief may have stolen something, sold it to someone who bought it in good-faith, and you take it back from that person, it's technically theft! File a police report, go through the right channels. If you know its yours, call the pol…

> it's technically theft! i hope that isn't true. A buyer of stolen goods needs to accept that a consequence of it is that they could lose possession of said good. This is why for expensive goods, you should ensure you're not buying stolen goods.

Here in the Netherlands if you purchase something and cant reasonably know that it was stolen, then you become the legal owner.

It is logical that it works that way. Proving something is owned by someone else can be quite hard for certain items.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by Xmd5a »

nostromo wrote: post #263
mikeortman wrote: post #256

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Just be careful! In SOME jurisdictions, you can get in trouble for 'stealing' if you take back something that was stolen. Possession vs Ownership are 2 different things. For instance, the thief may have stolen something, sold it to someone who bought it in good-faith, and you take it back from that person, it's technically theft! File a police report, go through the right channels. If you know its yours, call the pol…

I’d be curious what jurisdiction that is true. In my jurisdiction in the US it doesn’t matter if someone purchased the stolen goods or not, the goods still belong to the owner. This is sometimes called the "nemo dat" rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemo_dat_quod_non_habet The person buying the stolen goods would need to file a claim against the thief to recover their money, but the goods still belong to the origi…

This happened to me. I bought a pair of headphones (Nuraphones) on ebay, only to have them bricked by the company remotely.

IIRC, they had a security hole on their payment page: they forgot to implement SCA (strong customer authentification, aka 2FA for payments). Had they done this, the liability would have shifted onto the bank/card issuer. For some reason they decided to go after the customers in vain resentment, were acquired and their product was discontinued.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nuraphone/comments/8iw3he/beware_on...

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by MikeRichardson »

mrguyorama wrote: post #509
michaelt wrote: post #468

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I don't agree with citizenpaul But I do know if you're a homeless drug addict and you commit a crime that makes the cops throw you in jail - that's three meals a day, somewhere warm to sleep, and no lost income because you didn't have any income. Whereas if you're a member of the middle class and you commit the same crime and get thrown in the same jail? Mucho lost income, you can't pay your mortgage, you get fired f…

>that's three meals a day, somewhere warm to sleep I don't know why people always parrot this like a fact. Plenty of prisons serve only two woefully inadequate meals a day (like, Fyre festival sandwich levels of inadequate) and prisons generally have atrocious climate control. In the southern states, they don't have air conditioning and it gets genuinely dangerous for the prisoners. Some jurisdictions give the Warden…

> any dollar they don't spend, they get to KEEP

I'd love a source on that.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by paulddraper »

nostromo wrote: post #252
joshuahaglund wrote: post #139

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I've retrieved stolen bikes, one because of an airtag. Showed up with a couple friends standing by but not trying to be intimidating. It's mostly about staying calm and telling the person this is mine, I'm taking it. They always say "no it's my friend's, you're gonna piss him off" or "I just bought this" or something. Maybe you offer some fraction of a "reward" to smooth it along and cut your losses. Don't try to sta…

If it’s left anywhere in the open at anytime, you can repossess it legally as well. This happens with auto repossessions all the time. You don’t owe anyone an explanation as it’s yours - just take it if you can do so safely.

So when both people think they have legally purchased it, they go back and forth stealing it?

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by wyager »

jjeaff wrote: post #529
0xffff2 wrote: post #526

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Conversely, people have been suing gun manufacturers after shootings basically forever.

Ya, but those cases have tended to get a bit more traction because the primary purpose of firearms is to kill and there are lots of things that gun makers could do to make it more difficult to kill people with them (like built in locking mechanisms). A little different than say, a hammer, which is not meant as a weapon of death.

Gun manufacturers could add pointless and customer-hostile complications to guns just like apple can add customer-hostile complications to airtags. The case against Apple is even stronger, because at least apple's complications have a chance of doing something useful, and Apple provides an ongoing service where firearm manufacturers do not.

There's also no reasonable standard by which you can claim guns are being made to murder people but AirTags are not being made to stalk people. A vanishingly small fraction of total sales ever goes towards either of these undesirable use cases.

The smart move here is to get your risk models in order and stop worrying about either of these things.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by MikeRichardson »

nielsbot wrote: post #397
dervjd wrote: post #222

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Any tracker can be turned off if a thief manages to find it - but yeah a notification letting them know they need to look isn’t great. I use an AirTag on my e-bike - there’s quite a few hidden mounts out there that look like normal rear reflectors or slot in between a water bottle cage and the bike frame. It’s also trivially easy to pop the AirTag open and remove the speaker so it can’t beep. I bought my AirTags befo…

It’s not just the beeping. The potential thief’s iPhone will also notify them they’re being tracked.

I wonder a 3rd party tracker (using Find My network) could fool the iPhone somehow. Maybe if it does 1 minute on, 1 minute off, or something like that?

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by MikeRichardson »

_yb2s wrote: post #82
drdaeman wrote: post #56

Are AirTags actually useful for anti-theft purposes? I threw one in the trunk of my car (just in case - I ordered a 4-pack and I had a spare one), and every single time I drive somewhere it chirps loudly when I'm exiting my driveway, making its presence immediately obvious without any delays, and despite my phone being with me in the car.

There is something wrong with your configuration/setup, it is not supposed to start chirping unless it is out of range of your phone for at least 8 days, and not in one of the predefined geofence regions you can setup where it won't chirp. I have them on tons of my devices, including my kids personal items that go to school, etc. and they never chirp, and I can and have found items that were misplaced in public locat…

I have an AirTag in wallet. Every month or so it will chirp for no obvious reason. My phone might be with me, or upstairs, or whatever. It's just random.
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