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Why are UK electricity bills so expensive?

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Re: Why are UK electricity bills so expensive?

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The UK should fire their government and hire one that can deliver cheap energy via policy that creates the potential for a cheap energy market. This isn’t hard.

They fired the government earlier this year.

The new one removed the ban on building wind turbines on land within 48 hours of taking power, and are pushing through new transmission lines where they were previously blocked.

Re: Why are UK electricity bills so expensive?

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...because houses are made of cardboard and use electricity for heating.

Resistive heating is still a big thing, including new products being developed. Here's the latest: electric instant water heaters designed as drop-in replacements for gas boilers in hydronic heating systems: https://stromltd.com All the inconveniences of a hydronic system and resistive electric in a single solution, what's not to like? This is the perfect "slumlord special", installed in place of more economical (and…

Is naming the company in Danish (strøm means power) supposed to suggest Scandinavian efficiency?

AFAIK resistive electrical heating is banned in Denmark, except in buildings for only occasional use (summer house etc).

Re: Why are UK electricity bills so expensive?

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The rate shown is 29p which comes to 36 cents. It is substantially less than PG&E California prices, which average around 50-55 cents.

Nobody is getting california salaries in rural UK though...

California is not the Bay Area and LA metro. There are lots of places in California you won't get "California salaries" either.

Having grown up in rural California I have will return the favor I get for confusing the UK with London ;)

Re: Why are UK electricity bills so expensive?

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Please do elaborate …

See here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq52382zd1no.amp Octopus have started doing things like connecting properties in the north to cellular type meters (not supposed to) or using Octopus Mini hubs (connects smart meters using WiFi) as a way of trying to solve the problems

thanks !

Re: Why are UK electricity bills so expensive?

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29p / kWh doesn't hold a candle to PG&E costs in the San Francisco Bay Area. It's ironic that it's quite a bit cheaper to use natural gas here, since we're supposed to convert to electricity to save the planet.

I sometimes catch myself thinking about whether it’s worth collecting wood by the road to burn as a way to heat the house.

Sounds great until you check an air quality map. It's been miserable here in the Bay Area between the storms. AQI of 100–150 depending.

Re: Why are UK electricity bills so expensive?

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When you switch to heat pumps you'll get AC for no extra capital cost.

Unfortunately not. Most houses in the UK are heated using a 'central heating' loop. A closed loop of water that circulated through pipes run through the house and through large radiators in each room. A central boiler, usually a gas boiler, burns gas to heat and circulate this loop to provide whole-house heating, while also typically using a heat exchanger to heat the intake cold drinking water supply into a whole ho…

Good point. Not to mention the circulation will be all wrong had the radiator been cool instead of warm. (The primary means of heating by radiator actually comes from convection rather than radiation.)

Re: Why are UK electricity bills so expensive?

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It’s so insignificant that at best we might delay the climate catastrophe by a few seconds

People might not like this, but that's true. as long as non-western countries keep polluting - even if we achieve net-zero nothing will change other than us feeling better and patting ourselves in the back.

Per capita EU is a far bigger polluter than non developed countries.

Re: Why are UK electricity bills so expensive?

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An important reason that power is expensive in the UK is that it doesn't use zonal pricing and is effectively not giving the right price signals to consumers of power to move closer to where the cheap power is (e.g. data centers) or to conserve power when power is expensive; or producers of power to invest in power generation closer to where the power is scarce and expensive. Another point to make is that the nationa…

It seems to me quite a lot of it is down to having a net co2 zero goal but not anything like market tax for co2 so if reducing emissions by 100kg can be done by spending £100 on insulation or £1000 on domestic solar then solar it is because it sounds sexier to politicians.
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