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Re: My $47 collapsible standing desk

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Last I checked, there's no conclusive evidence showing a standing desk has any health benefits over sitting. Treadmill desks, on the other hand...

I'm not sure about the health benefits, but it certainly helps your posture.

Tell that to people who stand all day and end up having back problems.

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Actually, gazing downward has been shown to reduce headaches, eye strain, blur, and mental fatigue. You aren't supposed to tilt your neck to look down, though, you are supposed to angle your eyes downward to get the less strain benefit. Monitor at eye height just seems to be a bunch of companies wanting to sell prop up accessories and more complex desks.

Do you have a citation for that?

http://www.novadesk.com/Portals/84375/docs/ergonomic-summary...

Hopefully someone can upload "Head and Neck Posture at Computer Workstations - What’s Neutral?"

Re: My $47 collapsible standing desk

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Last I checked, there's no conclusive evidence showing a standing desk has any health benefits over sitting. Treadmill desks, on the other hand...

There have been a few articles linking sitting to shortened life lately. E.g.:

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sitting-2-years...

And a year ago:

"The study found that women who sit for more than six hours a day were about 40 percent more likely to die during the study than women who sat fewer than three hours per day."

http://www.healthkicker.com/751136264/sitting-for-hours-may-...

Re: My $47 collapsible standing desk

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Last I checked, there's no conclusive evidence showing a standing desk has any health benefits over sitting. Treadmill desks, on the other hand...

There have been a few articles linking sitting to shortened life lately. E.g.: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sitting-2-years... And a year ago: "The study found that women who sit for more than six hours a day were about 40 percent more likely to die during the study than women who sat fewer than three hours per day." http://www.healthkicker.com/751136264/sitting-for-hours-may-...

Yes, but there are similar problems with standing.

http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/CUESitStand.html#

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10...

Re: My $47 collapsible standing desk

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the problem with all these cheap/easy/portable solutions is that the monitor and keyboard are at the same height. this works when you're sitting but when you're standing you really need the keyboard to be lower (at around elbow height) and the monitor at face-level. This way you're not looking down (bad for your neck) or lifting your arms the whole time.

Perhaps I'm confused, but shouldn't the distance between your elbows and eyes be roughly the same regardless of whether your sitting or standing? If not, then what's the best non-(cheap/easy/portable) solution that addresses the issue?

It should be the same, but it's easier to tweak ergonomics for a non-portable set-up.

I can't change the height of the desk, so I set the keyboard on the desk and adjust my chair so the keyboard is at the right height. Then I put books under the monitor until it's at the right height. Like so: http://abughrai.be/pics/desk4/DSC_8568.JPG

For portability, there's not much you can do. Laptops are great, but they have trade-offs. Whenever a decent head-mounted display comes out, it will drastically improve the ergonomics of portable computing.

Re: My $47 collapsible standing desk

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To test with the concept of standing desk I simply got this "baker's rack". I found it at the local store for about $90. No need to build anything.

Whitmor 6054-268 Supreme Bakers Rack, Chrome and Wood http://www.amazon.com/Whitmor-6054-268-Supreme-Bakers-Chrome...

Placed the laptop at about eye level then used a couple of art books to prop up the keyboard and trackball at the right height. At the end of the experiment it went back in the garden functioning as an accessory to the barbeque grill. :)

Re: My $47 collapsible standing desk

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There have been a few articles linking sitting to shortened life lately. E.g.: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sitting-2-years... And a year ago: "The study found that women who sit for more than six hours a day were about 40 percent more likely to die during the study than women who sat fewer than three hours per day." http://www.healthkicker.com/751136264/sitting-for-hours-may-...

Yes, but there are similar problems with standing. http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/CUESitStand.html# http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10...

I think this is why people who pay attention this sort of stuff want sit/stand desks, like Geek Desks, or something like the OP, who I think wants to be able to stand sometimes and sit sometimes.

Re: My $47 collapsible standing desk

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Last I checked, there's no conclusive evidence showing a standing desk has any health benefits over sitting. Treadmill desks, on the other hand...

There is evidence in the opposite direction:

http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/CUESitStand.html

Being stationary in either a sitting or standing position is bad. There are ways in which sitting is uniquely bad, but there are also ways in which standing is uniquely bad. Both are bad. The answer is: you need to walk around or in some other way incur gross motor exercise regularly, on the order of twice an hour or so.

This has been one of 'tzs beats on HN for the past year; he's written some pretty detailed comments, try searching at the bottom of this page for [standing by:tzs].

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Yes, but there are similar problems with standing. http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/CUESitStand.html# http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10...

I think this is why people who pay attention this sort of stuff want sit/stand desks, like Geek Desks, or something like the OP, who I think wants to be able to stand sometimes and sit sometimes.

This comes up a lot. It seems like a worst-of-both-worlds solution. Prolonged sitting has been shown to disrupt fat metabolism. Prolonged standing is associated with a ninefold increase in carotid atherosclerosis. Even if sitting half the time leaves me with only a doubled exposure to atherosclerosis: that's not a win!

I've got a timer on my iPhone, two different spots in the office to sit (my desk and one of the couches in the lobby), and no weird gadgets; the Cornell page seems to suggest that this is pretty optional, and I dont' have to pronounce any weird Ikea furniture names to describe it. :)

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