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US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

jredwards wrote: post #4

Well, good. But also: build better software.

I support this.

It’s not possible to be “perfect,” but if we do our best to get there, we’ll make really good stuff.

It’s unlikely to happen, though, as we have a system that explicitly rewards writing crap, because it makes money.

As long as we fail to reward good work, we will continue to get poor work.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by tehwebguy »

dmantis wrote: post #13

There should be no difference with usual botnet owner/ransomware gangs and such companies. Management should go to prison for good 20-30 years for that and being extradited worldwide. Considering that ransomware gangs are probably less harmful to the society than guys who hack journalists and politicians, putting their lifes at literal risks, not just their pockets. There should be no "legal" hacking of someone's dev…

Certainly the ones that hack journalists should go to prison.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by alecco »

Aaaaand it's flagged out of the front page. @dang, so early in the day this is obviously some coordinated manipulation.

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Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by Neonlicht »

bawolff wrote: post #19
dmantis wrote: post #13

There should be no difference with usual botnet owner/ransomware gangs and such companies. Management should go to prison for good 20-30 years for that and being extradited worldwide. Considering that ransomware gangs are probably less harmful to the society than guys who hack journalists and politicians, putting their lifes at literal risks, not just their pockets. There should be no "legal" hacking of someone's dev…

Its not like this is that different than traditional "weapons" (i hate the "cyberweapons" analogy, but if the shoe fits). Sell guns to governments, even unsavoury ones, it is very rare anything will happen to you except in pretty extreme cases. Sell guns to street gangs, well that is a different story. Like i don't think this situation is different because it is "hacking".

All the cartels in Mexico buy their guns from America and nobody is going to jail over it.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by throwaway290 »

nico wrote: post #5

> "Surveillance companies should be on notice that illegal spying will not be tolerated." That is kinda funny, although sad at the same time On the flip side, I guess that means META allows WhatsApp users being only “legally spied” on

"Unauthorized hostility against pioneer detected"

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by ilbeeper »

dmantis wrote: post #13

There should be no difference with usual botnet owner/ransomware gangs and such companies. Management should go to prison for good 20-30 years for that and being extradited worldwide. Considering that ransomware gangs are probably less harmful to the society than guys who hack journalists and politicians, putting their lifes at literal risks, not just their pockets. There should be no "legal" hacking of someone's dev…

I agree with the first part, at least in spirit.

The second part though doesn't make sense. If the US president can send drones to kill terrorists without taking them to court, surely he can order hacking their phones. If you think that there's no case where the latter is ok you shouldn't you fight against the former first?

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