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Thoughts on Paul Rand

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Re: Thoughts on Paul Rand

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"At the time I was building a reputation for myself as being a gifted graphical user interface designer." What products has John Maeda designed that we can use or have used in the past? Writing books is great, but its the practical application that really builds reputations.

Exactly what is the point of this comment?

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Re: Thoughts on Paul Rand

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"At the time I was building a reputation for myself as being a gifted graphical user interface designer." What products has John Maeda designed that we can use or have used in the past? Writing books is great, but its the practical application that really builds reputations.

Exactly what is the point of this comment?

The point is to find out which products John Maeda has worked on?

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One great story about Paul Rand: "He is one of the most professional people I've ever worked with, in the sense that he thought through all of the formal relationship between a client and a professional such as himself -- obviously very deep thoughts about this -- and therefore he had very clear conclusions about what the relationship meant to both parties and how it should be conducted. For example: I asked him if h…

There can be problems with this approach, specifically, "The best way I know how" may not be the best way for the client. There are pros and cons with nearly every potential solution and it can be beneficial to discuss the pros and cons of more than one solution with the client before proceeding. It's arrogant to assume the best way you know how is the best way for the client. For example, if you only know Ruby and t…

A lot of problems between designer/client arise from miscommunication. It's not a problem that comes from this approach.

If the designer knows what she's doing, she just needs to know all the relevant factors.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There can be problems with this approach, specifically, "The best way I know how" may not be the best way for the client. There are pros and cons with nearly every potential solution and it can be beneficial to discuss the pros and cons of more than one solution with the client before proceeding. It's arrogant to assume the best way you know how is the best way for the client. For example, if you only know Ruby and t…

A lot of problems between designer/client arise from miscommunication. It's not a problem that comes from this approach. If the designer knows what she's doing, she just needs to know all the relevant factors.

No one can ever be aware of all the relevant factors.

Re: Thoughts on Paul Rand

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One great story about Paul Rand: "He is one of the most professional people I've ever worked with, in the sense that he thought through all of the formal relationship between a client and a professional such as himself -- obviously very deep thoughts about this -- and therefore he had very clear conclusions about what the relationship meant to both parties and how it should be conducted. For example: I asked him if h…

There can be problems with this approach, specifically, "The best way I know how" may not be the best way for the client. There are pros and cons with nearly every potential solution and it can be beneficial to discuss the pros and cons of more than one solution with the client before proceeding. It's arrogant to assume the best way you know how is the best way for the client. For example, if you only know Ruby and t…

"It's arrogant to assume the best way you know how is the best way for the client."

That's not what he's saying. He's saying that he's going to try as hard as he can to come up with what he thinks is the best solution to the problem. It may not be the best, but it's the best he can come up with. It's better than someone who comes up with five options, then leaves it up to the client to make the wrong decision.

I just don't understand the aversion to expertise that's so common these days. Have some fucking pride in what you do well. And trust that other people know their shit, too.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of problems between designer/client arise from miscommunication. It's not a problem that comes from this approach. If the designer knows what she's doing, she just needs to know all the relevant factors.

No one can ever be aware of all the relevant factors.

What are you talking about?

Re: Thoughts on Paul Rand

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There can be problems with this approach, specifically, "The best way I know how" may not be the best way for the client. There are pros and cons with nearly every potential solution and it can be beneficial to discuss the pros and cons of more than one solution with the client before proceeding. It's arrogant to assume the best way you know how is the best way for the client. For example, if you only know Ruby and t…

"It's arrogant to assume the best way you know how is the best way for the client." That's not what he's saying. He's saying that he's going to try as hard as he can to come up with what he thinks is the best solution to the problem. It may not be the best, but it's the best he can come up with. It's better than someone who comes up with five options, then leaves it up to the client to make the wrong decision. I just…

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Re: Thoughts on Paul Rand

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There can be problems with this approach, specifically, "The best way I know how" may not be the best way for the client. There are pros and cons with nearly every potential solution and it can be beneficial to discuss the pros and cons of more than one solution with the client before proceeding. It's arrogant to assume the best way you know how is the best way for the client. For example, if you only know Ruby and t…

"It's arrogant to assume the best way you know how is the best way for the client." That's not what he's saying. He's saying that he's going to try as hard as he can to come up with what he thinks is the best solution to the problem. It may not be the best, but it's the best he can come up with. It's better than someone who comes up with five options, then leaves it up to the client to make the wrong decision. I just…

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Re: Thoughts on Paul Rand

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's arrogant to assume the best way you know how is the best way for the client." That's not what he's saying. He's saying that he's going to try as hard as he can to come up with what he thinks is the best solution to the problem. It may not be the best, but it's the best he can come up with. It's better than someone who comes up with five options, then leaves it up to the client to make the wrong decision. I just…

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And I'm not saying that your approach is necessarily wrong, either. I'm saying that for you to call his approach arrogant is wrong. Paul Rand did it that way because of what he was capable of. Apparently, some people agreed, because they paid him a lot of money to create iconic designs.

You use your approach because it works for you and your clients. But you're also not Paul Rand.

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