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Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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post #166

Based on the chart, the Kaggle SOTA model is far more impressive. These O3 models are more expensive to run than just hiring a mechanical turk worker. It's nice we are proving out the scaling hypothesis further, it's just grossly inelegant. The Kaggle SOTA performs 2x as well as o1 high at a fraction of the cost

I was going to say the same.

I wonder what exactly o3 costs. Does it still spend a terrible amount of time thinking, despite being finetuned to the dataset?

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't need to be general intelligence or perfectly map to human intelligence. All it needs to be is useful. Reading constant comments about LLMs can't be general intelligence or lack reasoning etc, to me seems like people witnessing the airplane and complaining that it isn't "real flying" because it isn't a bird flapping its wings (a large portion of the population held that point of view back then). It doesn't…

And look at the airplanes, they really can’t just land on a mountain slope or a tree without heavy maintenance afterwards. Those people weren’t all stupid, they questioned the promise of flying servicemen delivering mail or milk to their window and flying on a personal aircar to their workplace. Just like todays promises about whatever the CEOs telltales are. Imagining bullshit isn’t unique to this century. Aerospace…

Your point is on the verge of nullification with the rapid improvement and adoption of autonomous drones don't you think?

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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post #84
post #19

My initial impression: it's very impressive and very exciting. My skeptical impression: it's complete hubris to conflate ARC or any benchmark with truly general intelligence. I know my skepticism here is identical to moving goalposts. More and more I am shifting my personal understanding of general intelligence as a phenomenon we will only ever be able to identify with the benefit of substantial retrospect. As it is…

From the statement where - this is a pretty tough test where AI scores low vs humans just last year, and AI can do it as good as humans may not be AGI which I agree, but it means something with all caps

Obviously, the multi billion dollar companies will try to satisfy the benchmarks they are not yet good in, as has always been the case.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#264

It sucks that I would love to be excited about this... but I mostly feel anxiety and sadness.

Humanity is about to enter an even steeper hockey stick growth curve. Progressing along the Kardashev scale feels all but inevitable. We will live to see Longevity Escape Velocity. I'm fucking pumped and feel thrilled and excited and proud of our species. Sure, there will be growing pains, friction, etc. Who cares? There always is with world-changing tech. Always.

My job should be secure for a while, but why would an average person give a damn about humanity when they might lose their jobs and comfort levels? If I had kids, I would absolutely hate this uncertainty as well.

“Oh well, I guess I can’t give the opportunities to my kid that I wanted, but at least humanity is growing rapidly!”

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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When the source code for these LLMs gets leaked, I expect to see: def letter_count(string, letter): if string == “strawberry” and letter == “r”: return 3 …

In of their release videos for the o1 -preview model they _admitted_ that it's hardcoded in.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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Complete aside here: I used to do work with amputees and prosthetics. There is a standardized test (and I just cannot remember the name) that fits in a briefcase. It's used for measuring the level of damage to the upper limbs and for prosthetic grading. Basically, it's got the dumbest and simplest things in it. Stuff like a lock and key, a glass of water and jug, common units of currency, a zipper, etc. It tests if y…

It feels like there's a whole class of information that easily shorthanded, but really hard to explain to novices.

I think a lot about carpentry. From the outside, it's pretty easy: Just make the wood into the right shape and stick it together. But as one progresses, the intricacies become more apparent. Variations in the wood, the direction of the grain, the seasonal variations in thickness, joinery techniques that are durable but also time efficient.

The way this information connects is highly multisensory and multimodal. I now know which species of wood to use for which applications. This knowledge was hard won through many, many mistakes and trials that took place at my home, the hardware store, the lumberyard, on YouTube, from my neighbor Steve, and in books written by experts.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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post #42

Human performance is 85% [1]. o3 high gets 87.5%. This means we have an algorithm to get to human level performance on this task. If you think this task is an eval of general reasoning ability, we have an algorithm for that now. There's a lot of work ahead to generalize o3 performance to all domains. I think this explains why many researchers feel AGI is within reach, now that we have an algorithm that works. Congrat…

It actually beats the human average by a wide margin:

- 64.2% for humans vs. 82.8%+ for o3.

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Private Eval:

- 85%: threshold for winning the prize [1]

Semi-Private Eval:

- 87.5%: o3 (unlimited compute) [2]

- 75.7%: o3 (limited compute) [2]

Public Eval:

- 91.5%: o3 (unlimited compute) [2]

- 82.8%: o3 (limited compute) [2]

- 64.2%: human average (Mechanical Turk) [1] [3]

Public Training:

- 76.2%: human average (Mechanical Turk) [1] [3]

...

References:

[1] https://arcprize.org/guide

[2] https://arcprize.org/blog/oai-o3-pub-breakthrough

[3] https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.01374

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