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Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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The programming task they gave o3-mini high (creating Python server that allows chatting with OpenAI API and run some code in terminal) didn't seem very hard? Strange choice of example for something that's claimed to be a big step forwards. YT timestamped link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKBG1sqdyIU&t=768s (thanks for the fixed link @photonboom) Updated: I gave the task to Claude 3.5 Sonnet and it worked first s…

It's good that it works since if you ask GPT-4o to use the openai sdk it will often produce invalid and out of date code.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#102
post #61

Is it just me or does looking at the ARC-AGI example questions at the bottom... make your brain hurt?

Looks pretty obvious to me, although, of course, it took me a few moments to understand what's expected as a solution.

c6e1b8da is moving rectangular figures by a given vector, 0d87d2a6 is drawing horizontal and/or vertical lines (connecting dots at the edges) and filling figures they touch, b457fec5 is filling gray figures with a given repeating color pattern.

This is pretty straightforward stuff that doesn't require much spatial thinking or keeping multiple things/aspects in memory - visual puzzles from various "IQ" tests are way harder.

This said, now I'm curious how SoTA LLMs would do on something like WAIS-IV.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#103
I was impressed until I read the caveat about the high-compute version using 172x more compute.

Assuming for a moment that the cost per task has a linear relationship with compute, then it costs a little more than $1 million to get that score on the public eval.

The results are cool, but man, this sounds like such a busted approach.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#104
In (1) the author use a technique to improve the performance of an LLM, he trained sonnet 3.5 to obtain 53,6% in the arc-agi-pub benchmark moreover he said that more computer power would give better results. So the results of o3 could be produced in this way using the same method with more computer power, so if this is the case the result of o3 is not very interesting.

(1) https://params.com/@jeremy-berman/arc-agi

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#105
post #19

My initial impression: it's very impressive and very exciting. My skeptical impression: it's complete hubris to conflate ARC or any benchmark with truly general intelligence. I know my skepticism here is identical to moving goalposts. More and more I am shifting my personal understanding of general intelligence as a phenomenon we will only ever be able to identify with the benefit of substantial retrospect. As it is…

These comments are getting ridiculous. I remember when this test was first discussed here on HN and everyone agreed that it clearly proves current AI models are not "intelligent" (whatever that means). And people tried to talk me down when I theorised this test will get nuked soon - like all the ones before. It's time people woke up and realised that the old age of AI is over. This new kind is here to stay and it wil…

You should look up the terms necessary and sufficient.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#106

Just as an aside, I've personally found o1 to be completely useless for coding. Sonnet 3.5 remains the king of the hill by quite some margin

o1 is pretty good at spotting OWASP defects, compared to most other models.

https://myswamp.substack.com/p/benchmarking-llms-against-com...

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#108
These results are fantastic. Claude 3.5 and o1 are already good enough to provide value, so I can't wait to see how o3 performs comparatively in real-world scenarios.

But I gotta say, we must be saturating just about any zero-shot reasoning benchmark imaginable at this point. And we will still argue about whether this is AGI, in my opinion because these LLMs are forgetful and it's very difficult for an application developer to fix that.

Models will need better ways to remember and learn from doing a task over and over. For example, let's look at code agents: the best we can do, even with o3, is to cram as much of the code base as we can fit into a context window. And if it doesn't fit we branch out to multiple models to prune the context window until it does fit. And here's the kicker – the second time you ask for it to do something this all starts over from zero again. With this amount of reasoning power, I'm hoping session-based learning becomes the next frontier for LLM capabilities.

(There are already things like tool use, linear attention, RAG, etc that can help here but currently they come with downsides and I would consider them insufficient.)

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#109

This is also wildly ahead in SWE-bench (71.7%, previous 48%) and Frontier Math (25% on high compute, previous 2%). So much for a plateau lol.

At 6,670$/task? I hope there's a jump

It's not 6,670$/task. That was the high efficiency cost for 400 questions.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#110
post #24

O3 High (tuned) model scored an 88% at what looks like $6,000/task haha I think soon we'll be pricing any kind of tasks by their compute costs. So basically, human = $50/task, AI = $6,000/task, use human. If AI beats human, use AI? Ofc that's considering both get 100% scores on the task

This makes me think and speculate if the solution comprises of a "solver" trying semi-random or more targeted things and a "checker" checking these? Usually checking a solution is cognitively (and computationally) easier than coming up with it. Else I cannot think what sort of compute would burn 6000$ per task, unless you are going through a lot of loops and you have somehow solved the part of the problem that can figure out if a solution is correct or not, while coming up with the actual correct solution is not as solved yet to the same degree. Or maybe I am just naive and these prices are just like breakfast for companies like that.
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