The programming task they gave o3-mini high (creating Python server that allows chatting with OpenAI API and run some code in terminal) didn't seem very hard? Strange choice of example for something that's claimed to be a big step forwards. YT timestamped link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKBG1sqdyIU&t=768s (thanks for the fixed link @photonboom) Updated: I gave the task to Claude 3.5 Sonnet and it worked first s…
OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB
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Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB
#102Is it just me or does looking at the ARC-AGI example questions at the bottom... make your brain hurt?
c6e1b8da is moving rectangular figures by a given vector, 0d87d2a6 is drawing horizontal and/or vertical lines (connecting dots at the edges) and filling figures they touch, b457fec5 is filling gray figures with a given repeating color pattern.
This is pretty straightforward stuff that doesn't require much spatial thinking or keeping multiple things/aspects in memory - visual puzzles from various "IQ" tests are way harder.
This said, now I'm curious how SoTA LLMs would do on something like WAIS-IV.
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#103Assuming for a moment that the cost per task has a linear relationship with compute, then it costs a little more than $1 million to get that score on the public eval.
The results are cool, but man, this sounds like such a busted approach.
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#104Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB
#105My initial impression: it's very impressive and very exciting. My skeptical impression: it's complete hubris to conflate ARC or any benchmark with truly general intelligence. I know my skepticism here is identical to moving goalposts. More and more I am shifting my personal understanding of general intelligence as a phenomenon we will only ever be able to identify with the benefit of substantial retrospect. As it is…
These comments are getting ridiculous. I remember when this test was first discussed here on HN and everyone agreed that it clearly proves current AI models are not "intelligent" (whatever that means). And people tried to talk me down when I theorised this test will get nuked soon - like all the ones before. It's time people woke up and realised that the old age of AI is over. This new kind is here to stay and it wil…
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#106Just as an aside, I've personally found o1 to be completely useless for coding. Sonnet 3.5 remains the king of the hill by quite some margin
https://myswamp.substack.com/p/benchmarking-llms-against-com...
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#107Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB
#108But I gotta say, we must be saturating just about any zero-shot reasoning benchmark imaginable at this point. And we will still argue about whether this is AGI, in my opinion because these LLMs are forgetful and it's very difficult for an application developer to fix that.
Models will need better ways to remember and learn from doing a task over and over. For example, let's look at code agents: the best we can do, even with o3, is to cram as much of the code base as we can fit into a context window. And if it doesn't fit we branch out to multiple models to prune the context window until it does fit. And here's the kicker – the second time you ask for it to do something this all starts over from zero again. With this amount of reasoning power, I'm hoping session-based learning becomes the next frontier for LLM capabilities.
(There are already things like tool use, linear attention, RAG, etc that can help here but currently they come with downsides and I would consider them insufficient.)
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#109Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB
#110O3 High (tuned) model scored an 88% at what looks like $6,000/task haha I think soon we'll be pricing any kind of tasks by their compute costs. So basically, human = $50/task, AI = $6,000/task, use human. If AI beats human, use AI? Ofc that's considering both get 100% scores on the task