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Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by mrguyorama »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #354
colechristensen wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://mndaily.com/190563/uncategorized/minneapolis-police-... It's a thing in Minneapolis, though the Kia Boys thing was still very real here, I don't know how much they've kept it up.

Well they're blaming the cars for being too easy to steal and not the thieves, so it's not going well

The cars are objectively too easy to steal. Kia made several outright stupid design choices and decided not to spend $100 on BoM to use a tried and tested immobilizer that genuinely helps prevent car theft. They also put the key barrel switches in a location very easy to access, rather than deep in the guts of the steering wheel shaft like most manufacturers.

Kia tried to save itself a few bucks by drastically reducing their product's security. The fact that other cars aren't being stolen at nearly the same rate is itself good evidence that the thieves are just opportunists.

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Post by hcurtiss »

jorvi wrote: post #500
graemep wrote: post #439

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> in many cases, more than one innocent party is involved, making judgment difficult for courts and leading to numerous exceptions to the general rule that aim to give a degree of protection to bona fide purchasers and original owners The next sentence is: > The possession of the good of title will be with the original owner. So you seem to be wrong there. The innocent buyer needs to file a claim against the thief, t…

No, I know our legal system quite well. You are wrong. The reason for this is so that if you buy a bicycle at, say, a bicycle fair and for a reasonable price, you shouldn’t have to worry about it being yoinked from under you later on. Lawmakers have clarified this is choosing between two evils, there is no winning proposition here. So, in conclusion: the original owner needs to file the claim, not the third party.

To the degree lawmakers have weighed in, as you say, can you point me to a citation protecting the subsequent purchaser? I don't practice in this area, but that is definitely not my understanding of the law.

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Post by asynchronous »

simonjgreen wrote: post #398

A browse through this companies product selection is interesting. They make some really well thought through options for mounting and attaching AirTags that I’ve not seen elsewhere. In particular the pin, bike tube, and fabric mount ones. The CNC screws mentioned in other thread appear to be part of their design language btw.

I have several of their fabric mounts, one for a backpack and another for a dog collar, they’re more expensive than the cheap knockoffs but the quality is top notch and they’re worth every penny.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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drdaeman wrote: post #56

Are AirTags actually useful for anti-theft purposes? I threw one in the trunk of my car (just in case - I ordered a 4-pack and I had a spare one), and every single time I drive somewhere it chirps loudly when I'm exiting my driveway, making its presence immediately obvious without any delays, and despite my phone being with me in the car.

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Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by ShakataGaNai »

jerlam wrote: post #4

Not a bad price, but it does require an existing Airtag. Ten years is a very long time in tech. I wouldn't be confident that the Airtag protocol will be functioning in 2035, and there are already rumors of a new Airtag and possibly a newer protocol coming up.

They are coming up on 4 years old. I have quite a number of them and do have to replace batteries frequently enough that it can get annoying.

I'm sure Apple will innovate and come up with something newer/better/etc at some point. But it's unlikely the gen1 devices will go away anytime soon. Even if the real life is only... 5 years, that still saves a number of battery changes for devices that maybe you don't want to deal with regularly.

And with the fact that Apple had enough demand to increase the limit from 16 to 32 per account ( https://9to5mac.com/2024/01/12/airtag-limit/ ). Clearly people have bought into the ecosystem in a big way. 30 Airtags * $25 each is $750. I don't think they'll decommission the gen1 system anytime soon with that much investment. Plus Apple is surprisingly good at supporting their hardware for a reasonable amount of time. The iPhone XR from 2018 is still supported by iOS 18.

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Post by graemep »

jorvi wrote: post #500
graemep wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in many cases, more than one innocent party is involved, making judgment difficult for courts and leading to numerous exceptions to the general rule that aim to give a degree of protection to bona fide purchasers and original owners The next sentence is: > The possession of the good of title will be with the original owner. So you seem to be wrong there. The innocent buyer needs to file a claim against the thief, t…

No, I know our legal system quite well. You are wrong. The reason for this is so that if you buy a bicycle at, say, a bicycle fair and for a reasonable price, you shouldn’t have to worry about it being yoinked from under you later on. Lawmakers have clarified this is choosing between two evils, there is no winning proposition here. So, in conclusion: the original owner needs to file the claim, not the third party.

"o, I know our legal system quite well. You are wrong"

"Our" legal system? Do you mean all common law countries or a particular one?

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Post by neilv »

michaelt wrote: post #440
neilv wrote: post #295

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You don't want legal advice. You know where your stolen bike is, so you call the police. I think that's the usual process. Probably they will verify that the bike is yours, and retrieve it, or they will say that they don't have the resources. Are people imagining that the police will say that you can go take the bike, but then turn around and arrest you for theft? Of course, if the police tell you "finders keepers; i…

> Are people imagining that the police will say that you can go take the bike, but then turn around and arrest you for theft? People are imagining the police will tell you that you can't steal it back, when legally you can. After all, it's the police's job to keep the peace. And things are more peaceful if I'm not busting up thieves' hideouts all guns blazing like Rambo.

That's a reasonable suspicion (though I think a lot of the contrarian comments are just people who want to complain about the police).

Working with that suspicion, especially given that this is HN, police saying "don't go steal it back" might still be very good advice, regardless of legal right.

For example (referring back to a scenario earlier in thread), I'm imagining a techbro crew, all jumping into one of their Teslas, and rolling up on misguided urban youth turf.

There's already a lot of misunderstanding and animosity, both ways, between stereotypes. And someone's attempt at "show of force" just escalated it. So, who will escalate the stupid further, and stab or draw a gun first.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by duskwuff »

myself248 wrote: post #482
duskwuff wrote: post #128

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> Apple sold the first widely-available computer with USB connections, the iMac G3. They were also, simultaneously, the first manufacturer to really go all-in on USB. Some PC manufacturers at the time were including one or two USB ports on their systems, but relied on legacy ports (PS/2, serial, parallel, etc) for most functionality. Their USB ports were mostly a show of "look, we have the new thing" - much in the sa…

I interpreted it precisely the opposite. PC mobos were like "Look, you can use the new things if you have any, but we're not gonna make you throw out your PS/2 peripherals that you know and love, or even buy adapters for them, because all that stuff, and the support circuitry for it on the mobo, all works just fine." The all-in approach required a forklift upgrade and generated a ton of e-waste.

> The all-in approach required a forklift upgrade and generated a ton of e-waste.

It really wasn't that bad. I lived through it.

The iMac was pitched as an entry-level Internet computer for new computer users. Many buyers didn't have a computer at all previous to purchasing an iMac, or only had one which was old enough that its accessories would have been irrelevant (e.g. an external modem). Probably the most common USB accessory purchase was external floppy drives - and a lot of users ended up discarding those after they realized they weren't using them.

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