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A Replacement for BERT

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Re: A Replacement for BERT

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I'm not sure I am understanding where exactly this slots in, but isn't this an embedding model? Shouldn't they be comparing it to a service like Voyage AI? - https://docs.voyageai.com/docs/embeddings

Embedding models are frequently based on Bert style models, but Bert models can be finetuned to do a lot more than just embeddings.

So an embedding focused finetune of modern Bert should be compared to something like voyageai, but not modern Bert itself.

Re: A Replacement for BERT

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Hi gang, Jeremy from Answer.AI here. Nice to see this on HN! :) We're very excited about this model release -- it feels like it could be the basis of all kinds of interesting new startups and projects. In fact, the stuff mentioned in the blog post is only the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot of opportunities to fine tune the model in all kinds ways, which I expect will go far beyond what we've managed to achieve in…

Jeremy, this is awesome! Personally excited for a new wave of sentence transformers built off ModernBERT. A poster below provided the link to a sample ST training script in the ModernBERT repo, so that's great.

Do you expect the ModernBERT STs to carry the same advantages over ModernBERT that BERT STs had over the original BERT? Or would you expect caveats based on ModernBERT's updated architecture and capabilities?

Re: A Replacement for BERT

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Hi gang, Jeremy from Answer.AI here. Nice to see this on HN! :) We're very excited about this model release -- it feels like it could be the basis of all kinds of interesting new startups and projects. In fact, the stuff mentioned in the blog post is only the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot of opportunities to fine tune the model in all kinds ways, which I expect will go far beyond what we've managed to achieve in…

Jeremy, this is awesome! Personally excited for a new wave of sentence transformers built off ModernBERT. A poster below provided the link to a sample ST training script in the ModernBERT repo, so that's great. Do you expect the ModernBERT STs to carry the same advantages over ModernBERT that BERT STs had over the original BERT? Or would you expect caveats based on ModernBERT's updated architecture and capabilities?

Yes absolutely the same advantages -- in fact the maintainer of ST is on the paper team, and it's been a key goal from day one to make this work well.

Re: A Replacement for BERT

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Looks great, thanks for training this! - Can I fine tune it with SentenceTransformers? - I see ColBERT in the benchmarks, is there an answerai-colbert-small-v2 coming soon?

The creator of answerai-colbert-small-v2 (bclavie) is also the person that launched the ModernBERT project, so yes, you can expect to see a lot of activity in this space! :D

(Also yes, it works great with ST and we provide a full example script.)

Re: A Replacement for BERT

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Hi gang, Jeremy from Answer.AI here. Nice to see this on HN! :) We're very excited about this model release -- it feels like it could be the basis of all kinds of interesting new startups and projects. In fact, the stuff mentioned in the blog post is only the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot of opportunities to fine tune the model in all kinds ways, which I expect will go far beyond what we've managed to achieve in…

Hey Jeremy, very exciting release! I'm currently building my first product with RoBERTa as one central component, and I'm very excited to see how ModernBERT compares. Quick question: When do you think the first multilingual versions will show up? Any plans of you training your own?

Re: A Replacement for BERT

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missed opportunity to call it ERNIE

I never liked the names BERT and its derivatives. Of all the names on the world, they chose words that are ugly, specific to one culture, and frankly childish.

Sesame Street has been broadcast in 140 countries; Bert (and Ernie) have been localized to 18 languages, including Arabic, Hindi, Japanese, Hebrew and Chinese, with China having an AI called ERNIE because of course.

Or to make an overly worded / researched reply to a petulant comment short, they are very much not specific to one culture.

Re: A Replacement for BERT

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Hi gang, Jeremy from Answer.AI here. Nice to see this on HN! :) We're very excited about this model release -- it feels like it could be the basis of all kinds of interesting new startups and projects. In fact, the stuff mentioned in the blog post is only the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot of opportunities to fine tune the model in all kinds ways, which I expect will go far beyond what we've managed to achieve in…

Thank you for this. I can't wait to try this, especially on GLiNER tasks.
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