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Nullboard: Kanban board in a single HTML file

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Re: Nullboard: Kanban board in a single HTML file

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Post by ffsm8 »

egeozcan wrote: post #28
xandrius wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so every time I make a change I need to remember to save or it's all lost? Or am I missing something?

Yes, is that a no-go? Maybe I’m just being too old-school :) It does make forks a lot easier, though! Another advantage is that it makes it clear what you’re saving, reducing the likelihood of errors being persisted.

There is a pretty newish filesystem API around. You could probably make auto saving possible via that - at least after a prompt for the filesystem permission.

Or keeping it as it. That's fine too. It just came to mind

Re: Nullboard: Kanban board in a single HTML file

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Post by johnfn »

I think "single HTML file" sets up a certain expectation that a five-thousand-line long HTML file with ~3500 lines of embedded JS doesn't really live up to. I mean, hey, everything can be a single HTML file if you embed the bundle inline in your HTML!

Cool project, though - don't mean to take away anything from it.

Re: Nullboard: Kanban board in a single HTML file

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Post by lelandbatey »

johnfn wrote: post #32

I think "single HTML file" sets up a certain expectation that a five-thousand-line long HTML file with ~3500 lines of embedded JS doesn't really live up to. I mean, hey, everything can be a single HTML file if you embed the bundle inline in your HTML! Cool project, though - don't mean to take away anything from it.

If I can actually hit "ctrl-s" and save it offline, that's a huge and worthwhile feature that meaningfully changes how I can interact with the project; it's not purely a fluff description.

Re: Nullboard: Kanban board in a single HTML file

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Post by seanwilson »

I wish there was some browser solution for apps like this where you could save and share your app state between your own devices, and push/share that state with others, all without any server backend involvement e.g. so you could have a Kanban board shared with others and the state would be stored locally and/or in bring-your-own cloud storage.

There's so many apps like this that could be simple, but for robust state saving involve setting up and maintaining a backend (e.g. with security patches, backups, performance monitoring). There's also the privacy implications on your data being store on someone's server, and the risk of data leaks.

It's like there's a key part of the internet that's missing.

Something like this could be a browser extension? This exists?

Re: Nullboard: Kanban board in a single HTML file

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Post by rpdillon »

johnfn wrote: post #32

I think "single HTML file" sets up a certain expectation that a five-thousand-line long HTML file with ~3500 lines of embedded JS doesn't really live up to. I mean, hey, everything can be a single HTML file if you embed the bundle inline in your HTML! Cool project, though - don't mean to take away anything from it.

I totally understand your take, but as a guy that spends most of his time on side projects working on single HTML files, I have a different perspective.

I find the totally self-contained nature of them very appealing because it travels well through space and time, and it's incredibly accessible, both online and offline.

My current side project is actually using a WebDAV server to host a wide variety of different single HTML file apps that you can carry around on a USB drive or host on the web. The main trick to these apps is the same trick that TiddlyWiki uses, which is to construct a file in such a way that it can create an updated copy of itself and save it back to the server.

I'm attracted to this approach because it's a way to use relatively modern technologies in a way that is independent from giant corporations that want to hoover up all my data, while also being easy to hack and modify to suit my needs on a day-to-day basis.

Re: Nullboard: Kanban board in a single HTML file

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Post by rpdillon »

summermusic wrote: post #19
huijzer wrote: post #10

I really think we are as developers underusing setups like this. If you could somehow figure out a simple but effective sync between devices then that would be able to cover many use-cases. Maybe we just need an sqlite with better support for replicas? Then people have one tiny server with a bunch of sqlite’s to which the apps can sync?

This sounds like a job for WebDAV! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV

I'm very interested in this area and this is exactly the approach that I'm pursuing.

Re: Nullboard: Kanban board in a single HTML file

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Post by PittleyDunkin »

johnfn wrote: post #32

I think "single HTML file" sets up a certain expectation that a five-thousand-line long HTML file with ~3500 lines of embedded JS doesn't really live up to. I mean, hey, everything can be a single HTML file if you embed the bundle inline in your HTML! Cool project, though - don't mean to take away anything from it.

What about "single HTML file" sets up an expectation about size? I'm genuinely confused. They seem like nearly unrelated concepts—this isn't a project about trying to fit a kanban board into a kilobyte or anything like that.

Re: Nullboard: Kanban board in a single HTML file

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Post by breakfastduck »

xandrius wrote: post #21
egeozcan wrote: post #16

This is very cool. BTW, when developing single HTML file apps, instead of localStorage, one can use the HTML as the source of truth, so the user can just save/save-as to persist. I had mentioned my quick and dirty attempt at an image gallery that is a self-contained html file and some really liked the concept, if not the "app" itself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41877482

Wait, so every time I make a change I need to remember to save or it's all lost? Or am I missing something?

My god this comment made me feel old.

God forbid you have to remember to save your work!

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