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Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by thot_experiment »

scosman wrote: post #115
thot_experiment wrote: post #33

If anyone is looking for a free/local alternative Continue + Ollama is acceptable. If you're just doing run of the mill programming it will work well out of the box. I'm glad it's open source so I was able to fix most of the issues I had with it and now my copy is in a great place. The documentation is in places many versions behind the actual code so it can be tough to figure out how to set things up when you're ven…

Acceptable UX maybe, but the gap between Sonnet 3.5 and open models isn’t worth it. I know people are going to pitch qwen coder 72b, but it’s still a long way off on benchmarks and my time matters more.

You're the second person in this thread to make this point, what are you using it for? I find the difference is basically negligible (in the sense that both get the busywork right and both fail at anything complicated)

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Post by fuzzythinker »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #43

Copilot in VSCode is so far behind Windsurf, not terribly excited about this and still happy to pay for a Codeium pro account. My only fear is someone buying them and screwing up model access, but maybe it’s fine if that is Anthropic. GPT-4 is terrible at coding and o-1 isn’t tell tiene for practical use.

Concur. Dropped Copilot for Cursor and then tried Windsurf. Windsurf is the keeper for me.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by joshstrange »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #111
joshstrange wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the main sticking point for me, I'm not leaving JetBrains anytime soon. GitHub Copilot + Aider handle my needs beautifully and while I wish Aider had deep IDE integration I can work around that (Yes, I know about the "AI!" command thing, it's a cool idea but sucks in practice). Aider in browser mode has pretty much replaced my back and forth to ChatGPT/Claude's web UI to the point that I'm considering going A…

Jetbrains is still the leader in all of the small details that make navigating and working a code base easy. Copy and paste workflow is a minor slowdown, but nothing compared to things like smart links in terminal, auto detection of run configurations, etc, etc.

This. 1000x This.

I watch people navigate code in VSCode and I want to pull my hair out. Things that I don’t even think about are hard and/or require just falling back to search.

And before “there is a plugin for that”, I’m sure there is. I’m sure you can configure VSCode to be just as powerful as IDEA but the rank and file using it aren’t doing that work to install and configure a bunch of plugins. So, on average, VSCode doesn’t hold a candle to an IDEA.

With Aider I skip a lot of the copy/pasting but I’d still copy/paste to the browser before I left IDEA.

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Post by vazma »

skybrian wrote: post #49
bugglebeetle wrote: post #43

Copilot in VSCode is so far behind Windsurf, not terribly excited about this and still happy to pay for a Codeium pro account. My only fear is someone buying them and screwing up model access, but maybe it’s fine if that is Anthropic. GPT-4 is terrible at coding and o-1 isn’t tell tiene for practical use.

For anyone else who never heard of Windsurf, it seems this was announced a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42127882

Tried windsurf and the beginning was amazing, last few days I start realizing that is getting annoyingly stupid and slow. Open reddit and realized lots of people had the same issue with a lot of wild theories about it. I stopped my subscription and I am considering trying cursor just to compare. Tldr;×trying an agent Ai coding assistant was amazing and I think I will never go back!

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

rvz wrote: post #15

Microsoft (unsurprisingly) has won the race to zero. We have had them 'embrace' the wider developer and open-source ecosystem by buying GitHub. Then they have 'extended' this with partnerships and deep developer integrations in VSCode and exclusive partnerships with OpenAI which in the background was used to build the best tools on the Microsoft platform with added enhancements and extensions. Now in the new intellig…

Bundling this with GitHub and giving it away for free reminds me of other times they’ve pulled this same tactic like with Teams. I don’t know why people respect Satya too much - he’s just another typical Microsoft monopolist. Others can also act unethically and abuse market position to grow their company.

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Post by samuel »

forty wrote: post #62

Is there any solution that is 1- fully local 2- open source 3- fast on CPU only 4- provide reasonable good results for smart auto complete ? I don't want my work to depend on proprietary or even worse, online, software. We (software engineer) got lucky that all the good tools are free software and I feel we have a collective interest in making sure it stays that way (unless we want to be like farmers having to pay Mo…

Fast on cpu it's just not realistic.

Open source, fast and good: openrouter with opensource models (Qwen, Llama,etc...) It's not local but these is no vendor lockin, you can switch to another provider or invest in a gpu.

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Post by efsavage »

JadoJodo wrote: post #35
asdev wrote: post #5

I ditched Copilot for Cursor and never looked back. Cursor might be the only other AI product with product market fit than ChatGPT, it's that good

Has anyone who uses an IDE (e.g., JetBrains, not a code editor) moved to Cursor? I've downloaded it a few times because everyone raves about it, but I've always come back almost immediately because editors can't reliably make changes across projects (among many other things)... What am I missing? FWIW I use GoLand w/ Supermaven, currently.

I can't wait for IntelliJ to get where Cursor appears to be. Being able to combine a great IDE with project-level AI coding will be a huge leap forward.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by digging »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #111
joshstrange wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the main sticking point for me, I'm not leaving JetBrains anytime soon. GitHub Copilot + Aider handle my needs beautifully and while I wish Aider had deep IDE integration I can work around that (Yes, I know about the "AI!" command thing, it's a cool idea but sucks in practice). Aider in browser mode has pretty much replaced my back and forth to ChatGPT/Claude's web UI to the point that I'm considering going A…

Jetbrains is still the leader in all of the small details that make navigating and working a code base easy. Copy and paste workflow is a minor slowdown, but nothing compared to things like smart links in terminal, auto detection of run configurations, etc, etc.

It's always difficult to notice features you don't know are missing.

I'm a near-exclusive user of VSCode (or Codium, at home) and like to think of myself as moderately advanced. I continually update my configurations and plugins to make my workflow easier and often see my peers stumble on operations that are effortless for me. It's hard to explain to them what they're missing until they watch me code. So now I'm curious about watching some typical Jetbrains workflows.

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