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How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by nddrylliog »

jiggy2011 wrote: post #130
gmurphy wrote: post #9

In general, not using the platform your users use is a path to trouble. For example, because so many designers in the valley use Macs, we continually have to fight an OS X bias in our design process; when designing something, you tend to calibrate it against what you're used to, but when OS X is only 5% of the market, OS X-based designers of client software end up with a massive blind spot when it comes to understand…

Platform choice and fragmentation is a pain in the ass. I develop and maintain a bunch of sites. Majority of visitors are on Windows (Many using IE/WinXP). Servers run Linux and I can never seem to get an accurate dev environment under Windows (some libraries don't seem to behave differently there). Also a bunch of the front-end tools that I would like to use only run on Mac. I don't really want to keep 3 uptodate co…

Why would you need to run a dev environment on Windows? Keep running your dev environment on Linux and SSH to it using Putty/Chrome secure Shell. Works like a charm :)

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by jiggy2011 »

nddrylliog wrote: post #131
jiggy2011 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Platform choice and fragmentation is a pain in the ass. I develop and maintain a bunch of sites. Majority of visitors are on Windows (Many using IE/WinXP). Servers run Linux and I can never seem to get an accurate dev environment under Windows (some libraries don't seem to behave differently there). Also a bunch of the front-end tools that I would like to use only run on Mac. I don't really want to keep 3 uptodate co…

Why would you need to run a dev environment on Windows? Keep running your dev environment on Linux and SSH to it using Putty/Chrome secure Shell. Works like a charm :)

Because I like to be able to use graphical tools and VNC etc feel laggy.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by estel »

Karunamon wrote: post #124
ryanbrunner wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure a large part of the reason Microsoft wouldn't offer it for free is that, at the time, any effort on Microsoft's part to enter a new market off the back of an existing market would be scrutinized pretty heavily by the DOJ. They couldn't even add virus scanning functionality to Windows because of anti-trust concerns.

Uhh.. Microsoft security essentials?

He said "at the time", which I guess refers to the difference between Smartscreen's release which was apparently 2006 with IE7; and MSE's 2009 release.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by Maascamp »

alan_cx wrote: post #116

Just generally, and very simplistically.... buy this or we scare away your customers. Errr, um, sort of.....well.... Mafia protection racket, yes? Put it this way. What is the first thing that springs to mind when some one is scaring off your customers demanding, sorry, politely implying a payment to stop? Yes, yes, yes, I know. Security, user safety, lots of lovely logical arguments for it, Im sure there are plenty.…

Or maybe cost of doing business? I mean, I can self sign SSL certs, so why does the browser give me warnings on https URLs? Mozilla must be arm in arm with Verisign. I'm shocked an open source company could be this evil. I will never browse the internet with Firefox again. I hope they get burnt for this.

NOTE: All of the above was sarcasm

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by skybrian »

tomjen3 wrote: post #113
praxulus wrote: post #56

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I'm afraid I haven't been enlightened. How else can the PKI be structured while providing the same amount of security? Is public/private key cryptography itself fundamentally flawed? What's the alternative?

It could be structured based on kittens and be at least as secure. I could steal a guys wallet, copy his id, slip it back or just throw it out, buy a certificate, slip virus laden software and it would get a huge seal of approval.

That's not much of an argument. It's not very easy to mug someone from Nigeria. Eliminating a remote attack is a big deal.

Of course, the sheer number of certs given out guarantees that some bad guys will be able to get one using fake id. But the point is to make malware rare and easier to investigate, not to eliminate it completely.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by Turing_Machine »

ryanbrunner wrote: post #114
Turing_Machine wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, "free" was poor phrasing. I should have said "no extra charge". Compare this to the situation described in the original article, where the developer had to buy a separate $59 certificate from a third party, on top of what Microsoft charges you for Visual Studio (which looks to be $499 for the cheapest non-evaluation version).

Express isn't an evaluation version. Also, it's trivially easy to get setup with BizSpark if you're a small startup and get free copies of Visual Studio.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cos...

No mobile apps, no conventional desktop apps, no command line apps... looks pretty "evaluaty" to me. Also: "private developers will have to pay $49 a year, corporations $99 a year."

So, on the one hand we have (from Apple):

Xcode (free or $5.00, depending on what kind of mood Apple is in that week) Developer program with store access: $99/year Code-sigining certificate: included.

From Microsoft we have: Non-crippled Visual Studio: $499 Developer program with store access: $49-$99/year Code-signing certificates: must be purchased separately from a third party.

What a bargain!

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by adestefan »

jabits wrote: post #85
briandear wrote: post #31

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The difference is that ASE techs don't have to pay to certify each car they fix.

Bogus analogy. One ASE mechanic, one cert. One dev, one cert.

Fto extend even further, one auto shop AES certification for most techs, one development shop, only one signing certificate.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by fluxon »

teuobk wrote: post #94
fluxon wrote: post #84

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Back in May, Jeff wrote on his blog: https://www.blurity.com/blog/2012/05/01/blurity-is-back/ "What happened to the web version? In short, the market happened: nobody wanted web-based photo blur removal. A minor pivot, but a pivot nonetheless!" This seems to be that effort: http://fixblurryphotos.com/ Blurity is mentioned after the deblur is performed.

Yeah, fixblurryphotos.com was an experiment to see if people would be satisfied with very simple photo improvements rather than the full deblurring power of Blurity. When I was experimenting with the SaaS version of Blurity, I found that many of the people who did eventual make purchases were, firstly, interested in only a single photo; and secondly, satisfied with the most trivial of improvements. I lamented that th…

Tell you what, if I was stuck without _my_ laptop, but had access to a random web-connected computer, I'd pay for a day's worth of emergency access in a pinch, to crop/deblur/resolution-enhance/color-balance some photos for a deadline...

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by SomeCallMeTim »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #136
ryanbrunner wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Express isn't an evaluation version. Also, it's trivially easy to get setup with BizSpark if you're a small startup and get free copies of Visual Studio.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cos... No mobile apps, no conventional desktop apps, no command line apps... looks pretty "evaluaty" to me. Also: "private developers will have to pay $49 a year, corporations $99 a year." So, on the one hand we have (from Apple): Xcode (free or $5.00, depending on what kind of mood Apple is in that week) Developer program with store access: $99/year Code-sigin…

Sorry, but Microsoft backpedaled after the bad press. You can download Windows 8 development tools for free now. [1]

Your info about "no command line apps" is also outdated. It USED to be true, but I have VS2010 Express, and it came with the command line tools:

    c:\Devel\Msdev.2010\Common7\Tools>vsvars32
    vsvars32
    Setting environment for using Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 x86 tools.

    c:\Devel\Msdev.2010\Common7\Tools>cl
    cl
    Microsoft (R) 32-bit C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 16.00.40219.01 for 80x86
    Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

    usage: cl [ option... ] filename... [ /link linkoption... ]

    c:\Devel\Msdev.2010\Common7\Tools>
I also use XCode, and it's ... not nearly as good as Visual Studio, though I am liking the new Eclipse-like "compile your code as you're typing it" real time error markup. A friend tells me that XCode can be configured to be sane, but I haven't given it a try yet.

[1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by josephcooney »

andreyf wrote: post #78
josephcooney wrote: post #75

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Right. This was a few years ago, but a major web-site that I was involved with (+1M visitors per day) had more people running windows 3.1 than Linux.

Windows 3.1, really?

Yup, really. I was as surprised as the next person.
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