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Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Controversial take: LLMs are the first time in a while that I have felt like emerging technology trends is doing something cool and adding value. For the past 8-10 years it has all felt like a bunch of apps that just aim to be mediocre middlemen/gig economy brokers with bad customer service.

I agree about an abundance of apps, but what type of value are LLMs adding? It can sometimes be useful to input a more "human" search and have something get spit out but 60% of the time it completely lies to you. I'm talking about questions related to web specifications which are public documents. Section numbers, standards names, etc.. will be completely made up.

Off the top of my head, and just for the last couple of months, and only outside of work (where its value is even more immense), it has saved one of my indoor plants, told me how to handle a major boiler problem that would have left us without a working boiler during a weekend in the winder, with the next "emergency" repairman only available on Monday, advised me to use Kopia as backup solution for my personal files instead of Syncthing, helped me choose the right type of glass for a painting frame, answered a couple of questions about bikes and helped me when I was stuck in an harmonic analysis of a piece of music. All of that are extremely valuable to me (if only for the time not wasted googling answers), and in none of them its potential hallucinating would have been an issue. And I can't count the number of times where "specialists" in bike repairs or plumbing told me something incorrect or outright false, so I've learned to deal with hallucinations already!

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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It's funny, I asked it what model it is, and it replies: > am based on OpenAI's GPT-4 model. Specifically, you are interacting with an instance of GPT-4, which is designed to understand and generate human-like text based on the prompts it receives. My responses are influenced by the extensive training on diverse datasets, but I do not have access to real-time data or events beyond my knowledge cutoff in January 2022.…

LLMs do not know about their own capabilites because it's not in the training data obviously.

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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So the perception of those aged 50+, is one of people so far removed from technology they’d prefer to use a telephone to avoid their discomfort with computers? I’m well into this group and still make a lot more api calls than phone calls. Fresh out of college I recall vividly thinking, I’ll need to build an impressive list of side projects to overcome preconceptions about how much I can truly offer at my age. Maybe n…

the idea that someone who was 20 in 1995 is too old to be comfortable with computers is a horrifying and offensive stereotype that deeply worries me for my own future our industry is old enough that the first generation of pioneers has died of old age. Do you really think someone who grew up with computers in the 80s is incapable of using a smart phone? These are people who are still in the workforce today. These are…

> someone who was 20 in 1995 is too old to be comfortable with computers

I know people who are in their 20s and 30s who seem to be uncomfortable with computers, cloud technology, and especially AI.

In some ways I'm one of them. I will never let an always listening AI helper be in my home. And I'm <40.

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Controversial take: LLMs are the first time in a while that I have felt like emerging technology trends is doing something cool and adding value. For the past 8-10 years it has all felt like a bunch of apps that just aim to be mediocre middlemen/gig economy brokers with bad customer service.

Have you tried a Waymo yet? Honestly the coolest tech I’ve seen/used in ages Lots of engineering involved

No. Never even seen one, since I don't live in the US/California.

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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That's not been my experience, though I guess it depends on what you're using o1 for. My experience is that o1 is extremely good at producing a series of logical steps for things. Ask it a simple question and it will write you what feels like an entire manual that you never asked for. For the most part I've stopped caring about integrating AI into software, but I could see o1 being good for writing prompts for anothe…

lots of coding tasks, discussions about physics/QM. I find that it produces better quality answers than 4o, which often will have subtle but simple mistakes. Even writing, where it is supposed to be worse than 4O, I feel that is does better/has a more solid understanding of provided documents.

> discussions about physics/QM

Interesting, could you share an example of this where it provides something of value? I've tried asking a few different LLMs to explain renormalization group theory, and it always goes off the rails in five questions or less.

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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> 1-800-ChatGPT works best in quieter environments. Background noise may be misinterpreted as prompts. Is this still an issue? Maybe I have had too high hopes for AI.

Counterpoint: humans word best in quieter environments. If we're saying "...what!? It's crazy loud where you are!", you can't really expect AI to be much better?

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Controversial take: LLMs are the first time in a while that I have felt like emerging technology trends is doing something cool and adding value. For the past 8-10 years it has all felt like a bunch of apps that just aim to be mediocre middlemen/gig economy brokers with bad customer service.

> doing something cool Yes. > and adding value. No. The only breakthrough innovation LLMs gave us is the ability to speedrun the making of racist pictures. Not sure the world really benefited.

LLMs don't generate images at all.

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

#139
Very nice! If there were still payphones, that would be a nice way to "call the Internet" :) (Assuming it has web access.)

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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post #131

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I agree about an abundance of apps, but what type of value are LLMs adding? It can sometimes be useful to input a more "human" search and have something get spit out but 60% of the time it completely lies to you. I'm talking about questions related to web specifications which are public documents. Section numbers, standards names, etc.. will be completely made up.

Off the top of my head, and just for the last couple of months, and only outside of work (where its value is even more immense), it has saved one of my indoor plants, told me how to handle a major boiler problem that would have left us without a working boiler during a weekend in the winder, with the next "emergency" repairman only available on Monday, advised me to use Kopia as backup solution for my personal files…

> And I can't count the number of times where "specialists" in bike repairs or plumbing told me something incorrect or outright false, so I've learned to deal with hallucinations already!

So much this. So many times I've argued with hired experts saying "can't be done" just to see yes, it can be done.

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