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Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by bdangubic »

ajsidncjcnbd wrote: post #57
laidoffamazon wrote: post #23

Expect this to be rolled back fully on January 20

Trump has said he’d like to “staple green cards to diplomas”. Despite what the media portrays, he’s not pro American, pro white, pro nazi, whatever. He’s owned by a different slice of the parasitic ruling class that, while opposed to some of the goals the Biden admin was for, still share a common theme of not caring about the average American at all. He has probably the most pro Israel cabinet we’ve ever seen and app…

> If he was truly pro American H1-B would be thrown out and we’d require these companies that are wildly profitable to invest in educating American workers. H1-B is used to exploit both foreign and domestic labor to the benefit of a tiny population of capital holders.

This is exactly right and exactly why Trump won't do anything about it... when you surround yourself will billionaires you'll want to make this that this tiny population of capital holders prospers even further :)

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by h1bgamer »

mksreddy wrote: post #95
h1bgamer wrote: post #71

This H1B program is gamed so hard its a joke at this point. I personally witnessed someone that submit multiple applications that this person won the H1B lottery. This person even had fake office, fake business address, etc for the fake entities. I already reported it, but no action has been taken. This person is now happily employed in the US using H1B. Unethical life pro tips but work: for those of you trying to ge…

Didn’t the rule change last year where all applications by same person is considered as one?

Yup but they actually can't check.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by h1bgamer »

JonoBB wrote: post #101
h1bgamer wrote: post #71

This H1B program is gamed so hard its a joke at this point. I personally witnessed someone that submit multiple applications that this person won the H1B lottery. This person even had fake office, fake business address, etc for the fake entities. I already reported it, but no action has been taken. This person is now happily employed in the US using H1B. Unethical life pro tips but work: for those of you trying to ge…

According to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42451726 , this is much less of a thing than before.

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Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #116
crmd wrote: post #68

It’s never been clear to me why this program exists in the first place, other than to put downward pressure on US STEM wages. What am I missing?

You are mixing up purpose and effect. The purpose is to provide more and cheaper STEM workers. The effect is downward pressure on wages. Phrased differently, the goal is to help industry, not hurt workers. Hurting some workers is an acceptable cost, not the goal. One idea is that having a thriving industrial ecosystem helps those same workers more than the downward pressure.

As somebody who does not live and work in the US, it seems plausible to me that the H1B system helps prevent other countries from obtaining similar talent hubs as Sillicon Valley. A lot of the talent is in the US, which attracts more companies, which attracts more talent, which means it's easier to go to the US and work there and start companies there than to do it anywhere else.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by kccqzy »

ziddoap wrote: post #19

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/12/18/2024-29... The tweet is a super brief summary, reproduced below. Founders can self petition (& spouses can work) - Own >50% of the entity, or have majority voting rights Roles tied to research institutions cap-exempt - Organizations where fundamental research is a key activity now qualify - Startups can hire researchers (AI, health, hardware) year-round Students ge…

What's the reason for cap-gap extension to April 1? I thought that the government fiscal year starts on October 1, so H-1B statuses take effect on that date and therefore the extension is only needed until October 1. What is the motivation here?

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by tssva »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #116
crmd wrote: post #68

It’s never been clear to me why this program exists in the first place, other than to put downward pressure on US STEM wages. What am I missing?

You are mixing up purpose and effect. The purpose is to provide more and cheaper STEM workers. The effect is downward pressure on wages. Phrased differently, the goal is to help industry, not hurt workers. Hurting some workers is an acceptable cost, not the goal. One idea is that having a thriving industrial ecosystem helps those same workers more than the downward pressure.

If the purpose is cheaper STEM workers than downward pressure on wages is a goal and not just an effect.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by breadwinner »

crmd wrote: post #68

It’s never been clear to me why this program exists in the first place, other than to put downward pressure on US STEM wages. What am I missing?

US tech exports in 2018 was $338 billion. Tech is our biggest export by far. Think of the US tech industry as a siphon that sucks in wealth from foreign countries. Would you want to make that siphon bigger or smaller?

If you want to make that siphon bigger — and more competitive — how would you do it? By limiting the people that can work in tech to whoever companies can hire locally, or by bringing in the smartest people from around the world?

Read more: https://mckoder.medium.com/does-america-need-immigration-781...

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by akira2501 »

kqgnkqgn wrote: post #120

Seem like sensible changes, though more is still needed. Requiring H1B holders to leave the country to renew paperwork is an insane anachronism. The per-country caps also seem like a throwback to the early 1900's era immigration exclusion policies. Re: the concerns over "immigrants taking our jobs!". As a native-born American working in a large tech company today - the threat is very clearly not from H1B's and other…

> to leave the country to renew paperwork is an insane anachronism.

I always took it as a means of proving they still could return somewhere if necessary. Which is a reasonable thing to assure on a visa.

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

jandrese wrote: post #102
remarkEon wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not missing anything. Other than that, seemingly, STEM roles are the only industry where the laws of supply and demand do not apply, and a positive supply shock of something does not, for some reason, drive down the price.

If a supply shock doesn't drive down the price then it suggests that the supply constraint was larger than than the shock and that the market was being artificially constrained to prevent the prices from rising to meet demand.

It's also possible that the supply itself is what creates more demand. People who move to the US are probably less risk-averse than the average person, and more likely to start new companies, creating more jobs.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by pratnala »

zer8k wrote: post #74
duped wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Ah yes the classic "huwhite people and muh racism" gambit. It's tired. H1Bs are gamed to the point of uselessness. Most companies internally post H1B job offerings so people are aware. I've yet to see one with a competitive salary. They are used to source cheaper labor and avoid paying actual Americans the fair wage they deserve. The last 15-20 years of tech has slowly seen the InfoSys-ization of the tech economy. I…

> I've yet to see one with a competitive salary.

Nonsense.

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