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Ask HN: Quit stimulants, productivity suffering

#1
Hi HN - Senior SWE at FAANG who has basically stayed afloat via stimulants which gradually ruined my life and emotional well being.

I finally broke the chains and more or less replaced these bad habits with healthier ones, which has been great. However, I can barely function at work and my contributions have dropped to near zero. It’s causing me immense stress in a culture that is cutthroat.

How can I rebuild a normal way of working?

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#2
I haven't ingested stimulants since university, but a few surprising things put me in that familiar state of deep, almost euphoric concentration. I don't know why any of these work; it's up to you to determine how crazy I am.

1. NAC. I don't like this because it also seems to cause heartburn and blunts me.

2. Home brewed kefir. Overbrewing has the opposite effect, so you have to be diligent about changing the grains every 24 hours.

3. Saline + iodine + baby shampoo nasal rinse. The weirdest one, but I swear it's true. Literally clears the head.

All of these are relatively cheap and low risk.

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#3

I haven't ingested stimulants since university, but a few surprising things put me in that familiar state of deep, almost euphoric concentration. I don't know why any of these work; it's up to you to determine how crazy I am. 1. NAC. I don't like this because it also seems to cause heartburn and blunts me. 2. Home brewed kefir. Overbrewing has the opposite effect, so you have to be diligent about changing the grains…

Thanks. Benfotiamine 150 mg twice a day had stimulant-like effects on me during the first week or 2 of my taking it. (Now it just gives me more energy without any CNS-stimulant effects.)

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#5

Do you have ADHD? Maybe you should be using stimulants…

This. Do you feel "normal" when on stimulants? The average person feels like they smoked meth. If you feel your thoughts coming under control, it might be a sign (emphasis on might).

Go see a doctor urgently. If they say you don't have anything and should never take stimulants, see a therapist to learn to live with the reality of who you are and where you want to be.

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#6

Do you have ADHD? Maybe you should be using stimulants…

I don't have ADHD - stimulants make me a lot more productive until tolerance kicks in. It's easier to focus on boring tasks, and I'm high so work that normally isn't fun becomes fun.

Once the tolerance kicks in (1-2 weeks of use) the high becomes mild / nonexistant and it no longer boosts my productivity

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#7
I stopped taking amphetamine stimulants for similar reasons and with a similar outcome.

I ended up getting a prescription for Provigil (modafinil), a non-amphetamine stimulant.

It’s not nearly as dopaminergic as amphetamine, decidedly non-euphoric, but more motivationally stimulating than caffeine.

I found that the dose response lends itself well to former addicts, where taking the recommended dosage (100mg for me) does not result in a “high” nor does taking 3-4x that dosage, and is quite unpleasant to do so.

As well as being long lived, a single dose lasting 10-12 hours, not a time release formulation mind you, reduces the moreish hunger of short duration stimulants.

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#8

I haven't ingested stimulants since university, but a few surprising things put me in that familiar state of deep, almost euphoric concentration. I don't know why any of these work; it's up to you to determine how crazy I am. 1. NAC. I don't like this because it also seems to cause heartburn and blunts me. 2. Home brewed kefir. Overbrewing has the opposite effect, so you have to be diligent about changing the grains…

What is NAC?

Re: Ask HN: Quit stimulants, productivity suffering

#9
Stimulants? Like coffee?

Or am I being really naive right now?

If it's anything stronger than coffee, here's my recommendation:

1. Wim Hof Method from time to time (it boosts adrelanine temporarily)

2. Exercise (boosts all kinds of stuff)

3. Breathing meditation to train your attention

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#10
post #6

Do you have ADHD? Maybe you should be using stimulants…

I don't have ADHD - stimulants make me a lot more productive until tolerance kicks in. It's easier to focus on boring tasks, and I'm high so work that normally isn't fun becomes fun. Once the tolerance kicks in (1-2 weeks of use) the high becomes mild / nonexistant and it no longer boosts my productivity

Interesting. OK. I have ADHD and I don't feel anything resembling a "high." If anything, I feel normal and relaxed on stimulants. But it also makes me able to focus and work hard, and I wouldn't have been able to accomplish what I have professionally or personally without it. Not just my job, but my marriage too was falling apart prior to getting on medication. What you wrote in the original post could have been written by an ADHD person, in which case I would recommend staying on medication.

Idk, it's complicated. I think a lot of the moral handwringing about stimulant use is misguided and it shouldn't be stigmatized. But I'm somewhat biased in that stimulants literally saved my life, after I had been avoiding medication for years prior based on the stigma. I for sure have ADHD though.

Have you talked to a psychiatrist? You may have a serious mental condition that needs treatment, even if it isn't ADHD treated by amphetamine salts. Modafinil, maybe.

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