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Re: Bank of North Dakota

#11

Why should I care when credit unions have always treated me better? Banks don’t need to exist in a world where credit unions work. Credit unions need to be more directly tied to “left wing thought” in general. Most Bernie types hardly even talk about the role that banks (even public banks like this one) play in screwing the little person over beyond meme stuff like housing which isn’t even in their control.

How is BND screwing the little person?

Re: Bank of North Dakota

#12

Why should I care when credit unions have always treated me better? Banks don’t need to exist in a world where credit unions work. Credit unions need to be more directly tied to “left wing thought” in general. Most Bernie types hardly even talk about the role that banks (even public banks like this one) play in screwing the little person over beyond meme stuff like housing which isn’t even in their control.

Outside of Wells Fargo - which is just god awful in so many ways - I'm no longer getting a different experience from banks vs credit unions. Sometime before covid I feel like the line between bank and credit union blurred and eventually went away, in relation to customer experience. I have money scattered across many institutions; I get the same treatment at both bank and credit unions now.

Re: Bank of North Dakota

#13

Why should I care when credit unions have always treated me better? Banks don’t need to exist in a world where credit unions work. Credit unions need to be more directly tied to “left wing thought” in general. Most Bernie types hardly even talk about the role that banks (even public banks like this one) play in screwing the little person over beyond meme stuff like housing which isn’t even in their control.

How is BND screwing the little person?

It’s not, but credit unions don’t either and they’re more “left wing” ideologically.

Re: Bank of North Dakota

#14

Nice to see this posted. Understated in this is that BND also helped North Dakota avoid the worst of the mortgage crisis, and that the student loan program (combined with decent state universities) make education more affordable. As far as banks go, BND is a gem.

When I was in college, I took a number of Econ courses, and I still remember the Macro Econ professor talk about banks failing. This was in the mid 90's. He flat out said that a bank failing is something that just doesn't happen anymore. He pretty much said, you'll never see it happen. This is before they repealed the Glass-Steagall act. I still remember the mortgage crisis unfold in disbelief that they didn't see it…

I had the same feeling. I remember the first time I looked at the accounts of North Rock (covering for a colleague at a small fund manager), the first British bank to fail (and the only one to go under rather than getting a bailout) and being horrified at its reliance on interbank markets.

A lot of British banks needed bailing out, but but building societies (mutuals owned by customers, traditionally mortgage lenders but mostly full service retail banks) were fine, but big banks and at least two former building societies that had demutualised were not.

From that point of view it sounds as though Bank of North Dakota sounds like another example of different ownership structures enabling greater stability than shareholder owned big banks do.

Re: Bank of North Dakota

#15

Why should I care when credit unions have always treated me better? Banks don’t need to exist in a world where credit unions work. Credit unions need to be more directly tied to “left wing thought” in general. Most Bernie types hardly even talk about the role that banks (even public banks like this one) play in screwing the little person over beyond meme stuff like housing which isn’t even in their control.

BND's purpose isn't to be a consumer bank.

Part of what BND does is BND provide services to other local consumer banks who provide more consumer oriented services.

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#16
post #8

Can anyone who has a real world hands on experiential understanding of the banking system explain to me what exactly bank “capital” is? I’m well aware reserve requirements aren’t a thing anymore and that bank capital is different. I would find it rather amusing if other banks’ liabilities can somehow be defined as a bank’s capital, because it would mean bank capitalization in aggregate is really just banks expanding…

Bank capital is trivially defined as the difference between assets and liabilities on the balance sheet.

What you are probably more curious about is regulatory capital. That unfortunately is very complex. Each regulator will have different formulas for how to calculate that (some of which are informed by state or national law or even international treaty).

Regulators generally are pretty hyper focused on contagion risk when it comes to nested balance sheets. Though obviously there are cases where new financial instruments or changed regulatory regimes leave the regulators flat footed (see 2008) it’s reasonably rare in first world western style economies.

Re: Bank of North Dakota

#17

Nice to see this posted. Understated in this is that BND also helped North Dakota avoid the worst of the mortgage crisis, and that the student loan program (combined with decent state universities) make education more affordable. As far as banks go, BND is a gem.

When I was in college, I took a number of Econ courses, and I still remember the Macro Econ professor talk about banks failing. This was in the mid 90's. He flat out said that a bank failing is something that just doesn't happen anymore. He pretty much said, you'll never see it happen. This is before they repealed the Glass-Steagall act. I still remember the mortgage crisis unfold in disbelief that they didn't see it…

It was the banks holding MBSs that failed. Banks always hold mortgages. With Glass Steagal the investment banks couldn't have jumped in to do the rescues.

Re: Bank of North Dakota

#18

Why should I care when credit unions have always treated me better? Banks don’t need to exist in a world where credit unions work. Credit unions need to be more directly tied to “left wing thought” in general. Most Bernie types hardly even talk about the role that banks (even public banks like this one) play in screwing the little person over beyond meme stuff like housing which isn’t even in their control.

Because some companies need 500 million in credit or more.

Re: Bank of North Dakota

#19
post #8

Can anyone who has a real world hands on experiential understanding of the banking system explain to me what exactly bank “capital” is? I’m well aware reserve requirements aren’t a thing anymore and that bank capital is different. I would find it rather amusing if other banks’ liabilities can somehow be defined as a bank’s capital, because it would mean bank capitalization in aggregate is really just banks expanding…

> I’m well aware reserve requirements aren’t a thing anymore

Uhh, where did you hear this?

Re: Bank of North Dakota

#20
post #5

How is BND's success influenced by the very small size of its assets held relative to other banks? The BNY would have assets comparable to those of a major commercial bank.

Not sure how you are comparing them but BNY was a major commercial bank until it sold its retail to chase. Now it’s a too big to fail private financial services company.

BND is interesting because it’s literally North Dakota, the states, banker. BNY governmental association is long gone in comparison.

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