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Ergo Chat – A modern IRC server written in Go

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Re: Ergo Chat – A modern IRC server written in Go

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Post by arcanemachiner »

stackskipton wrote: post #4
donio wrote: post #2

I've been running Ergo for the past year for my friends/family chat. I went this route because of the ease of hosting, very low resource requirements and a protocol and codebase that I feel I can understand and debug if needed. The v3 chathistory support and the always-on[1] multi-client[2] features paired with modern clients (like Goguma) go a long way at providing a modern chat environment. Most others on the serve…

As heavy Discord user, it's nice to see that IRC is still kicking and might be available if/when Discord ZIRP gas runs out.

Just think of all that information, stuck in the walled garden, away from the prying eyes of search engines or any other forms of public discoverability. Just waiting to get flushed down the drain or shoved into the training data of a future round of AI crapware...

Re: Ergo Chat – A modern IRC server written in Go

#45

Post by ycuser2 »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #41
stackskipton wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As heavy Discord user, it's nice to see that IRC is still kicking and might be available if/when Discord ZIRP gas runs out.

Just think of all that information, stuck in the walled garden, away from the prying eyes of search engines or any other forms of public discoverability. Just waiting to get flushed down the drain or shoved into the training data of a future round of AI crapware...

IRC is also a walled garden.

Re: Ergo Chat – A modern IRC server written in Go

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Post by corobo »

sph wrote: post #34
Svip wrote: post #29

Whenever IRC comes along, someone mentions its lack of chathistory/backlog as a missing feature. Having witnessed what Discord have wrought, I am now in the firm belief that backlog - at least for communities - is an anti-feature . Because the logs persists between sessions, people start to post things there for perpetuity, a task classically reserved for bulletin forums. Without a server-side backlog, the chat is fl…

Fully agreed, but let's not forget the psychological quirk of Discord moderators loving to divide the world into neat little boxes, so the mark of any established server is the myriad of different topic channels. Every single community has become a silo with their own memes channel. It's like they emulate modern social media websites where they try to keep you engaged and in one spot forever. I find it dystopian and…

Unfortunately it's worse than that now. It used to be that everything got siloed into channels, now things get siloed into the new forum system.

These forum channels don't automatically appear in the sidebar and you get no indication of anything new added unless you specifically follow the thread.

Moving into forum threads is a great way to kill a conversation, perfect even, honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the feature was added just so Discord could appear in "forum" searches. There's no way the feature was planned when it's so bad for conversations.

In any case the discord mod quirk of stomping on discussion inertia plus this horrible new forum system guarantees a conversation fizzles out immediately.

Re: Ergo Chat – A modern IRC server written in Go

#47

Post by nonrandomstring »

sph wrote: post #34
Svip wrote: post #29

Whenever IRC comes along, someone mentions its lack of chathistory/backlog as a missing feature. Having witnessed what Discord have wrought, I am now in the firm belief that backlog - at least for communities - is an anti-feature . Because the logs persists between sessions, people start to post things there for perpetuity, a task classically reserved for bulletin forums. Without a server-side backlog, the chat is fl…

Fully agreed, but let's not forget the psychological quirk of Discord moderators loving to divide the world into neat little boxes, so the mark of any established server is the myriad of different topic channels. Every single community has become a silo with their own memes channel. It's like they emulate modern social media websites where they try to keep you engaged and in one spot forever. I find it dystopian and…

> personalities trying to invent rules upon rules on their little kingdom is really not conducive to spontaneous socialisation

Seems like a neglected area of research in UX/UI - perhaps an opportunity for a good PhD or Masters: To what extent do software paradigms enable/inhibit pathological/virtuous personality traits?

And no - not all software is a "neutral" blank canvas. Behaviours cluster around latent or implied structures. Designers imprint their own values on code, perhaps even unconsciously.

Re: Ergo Chat – A modern IRC server written in Go

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Post by nonrandomstring »

Mashimo wrote: post #37
sph wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully agreed, but let's not forget the psychological quirk of Discord moderators loving to divide the world into neat little boxes, so the mark of any established server is the myriad of different topic channels. Every single community has become a silo with their own memes channel. It's like they emulate modern social media websites where they try to keep you engaged and in one spot forever. I find it dystopian and…

Do you think the same people would behave differently as an IRC server mod?

I do. See my suggestion above.

Software shapes behaviour. If you design software for social interaction you are designing mass behaviours.

Re: Ergo Chat – A modern IRC server written in Go

#50

Post by TonyTrapp »

ycuser2 wrote: post #45
arcanemachiner wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just think of all that information, stuck in the walled garden, away from the prying eyes of search engines or any other forms of public discoverability. Just waiting to get flushed down the drain or shoved into the training data of a future round of AI crapware...

IRC is also a walled garden.

IRC is pretty much the opposite of the definition of a walled garden. Its content is not discoverable by search engines by default, but that is not the definition of a walled garden, which is typically a synonym for closed platforms where you have no choice how to access their content (e.g. being forced to use a specific client software).
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