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Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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and service fees at restaurants. The price on the menu in Seattle or SF is ~25% lower than what the product actually costs.

Yeah, I love that healthcare surcharge at SFO restaurants.

Healthcare surcharge: 6%

tip: 20%

tax: 8.625%

= total: 34.625%

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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An excellent change. It's unfortunate that stewardship of the committee will soon change hands as Khan has been a great advocate for fair contracts between companies and consumers during her tenure.

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Cool. Come over here to Europe and tell us how expensive our you pay what you expect concert tickets are.

Naive shilling for the capitalists doesn't get you anything, except more expensive concert tickets that is.

So let me ask you one question. Who do you think will pay more:

1. the person who sees all the costs upfront

2. the person who at the end of the deal will see additional fees

please tell me it is 1 and tell all of us how it is you "who understands basic economics"

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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You're right that businesses might roll fees into the base price, but that’s the point: transparency. When all costs are upfront, customers can more easily compare prices between competitors. Hidden fees make price comparisons difficult and misleading. Take airlines, for example—if one shows a $200 ticket and another shows $180 but sneaks in $30 of fees later, the second one appears cheaper. By requiring prices to re…

Yes! Markets work better when deceptive price signals are not inhibiting price discovery. When deception is not rewarded.

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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They should ban hidden taxes too. The sticker price should be the final price.

> The sticker price should be the final price. God I wish this applied to buying cars as well

If you’re assertive enough, it is.

“Oh, sorry, looks like we’d already applied the undercoat to your car.”

“Ah, thanks!”

“That’s an extra $400 charge.”

“I’m not paying for it. I didn’t want it. You can have it back if you want.”

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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1. I'm not convinced by this argument, airlines compete on list price. If they can add a bunch of fees after winning on list price, they can move more and more of their costs into the fees and are no longer competing on the real price. 2. Let airlines compete on transparent pricing. I think this alone is enough of a benefit to this move.

They do. On the other hand, I'm typically exempt from a lot of the airline add-ons for various reasons.

Airlines are probably not the best example. A lot of people probably want cheaper airfares even if it means less/poorer service in a lot of ways.

But it should be as transparent up-front as possible. Even if infrequent travelers may not always understand the details.

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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They should ban hidden taxes too. The sticker price should be the final price.

I remember shopping in Japan. The price on the tag, is exactly what you pay (same with services, like hotels). Since this is Japan, it's a high price, but no surprises. Also, the service is amazing , and they won't accept tips. If you leave money on the table, they will chase after you, to give it back.

> The price on the tag, is exactly what you pay (same with services, like hotels).

That's the norm, not the exception, in developed countries.

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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post #3

An excellent change. It's unfortunate that stewardship of the committee will soon change hands as Khan has been a great advocate for fair contracts between companies and consumers during her tenure.

As a free market fan, Khan seems to have been pretty terrible. But this looks genuinely good! It's basically banning fraud. ---[EDIT], since everyone is asking for reasons here are two libertarian/conservative critiques: • https://reason.com/2024/11/07/good-riddance-lina-khan/ • https://archive.ph/IjNmZ

What do you mean? Minimising monopolies is how you keep the free market competitive.

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

#70
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They should ban hidden taxes too. The sticker price should be the final price.

Do you want to put in your shipping address to every website before you can shop?

Very easy, we can get inspiration from the web shops 10 years ago (and still a majority of honest sites today) : the price of the item and somewhere close the base shipping price and a (legal minimum size) link "shipping price" redirecting to a shipping price table. We can even impose the table framework like the nutritional information on food to avoid volontary complexification of that page.
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