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How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by dmdeller »

binarycrusader wrote: post #25
jasomill wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gatekeeper is not nearly as bad for small developers, though. Unless Microsoft has started offering, as part of a $99 MSDN subscription, the ability to generate a signed certificate that doesn't expire for five years automatically from inside Visual Studio as soon as you've signed in with your Microsoft ID. The problem with Microsoft's strategy has always been the reliance on companies like VeriSign for whom recurrin…

Apple Developer IDs are free, as are the certificates.

I was under that impression as well--perhaps something has changed since the initial announcement--but certificates are not free. I just went through this process with my free, non-App-Store Mac app, and there was no way to do it without paying $99.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by dbattaglia »

jmboling wrote: post #79

If you care about your product you have to draw a line somewhere. The more developers that take a stance and don't support the criminal negligence of IE's support of broadly accepted standards the sooner we can all eliminate needless time costs of making sites agnostic to the point of stupidity.

Huh? The issue was with an .exe not being digitally signed and IE's scary warning that it might be malware. Very similar to what Apple are going to do in 10.8 (Gatekeeper).

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by tomjen3 »

michaelt wrote: post #117
tomjen3 wrote: post #112

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Decent price? It is at least 55 dolars too high.

It could be a bit cheaper, but I'd hope SSL certificate vendors would be putting some work into identity verification. You know, making sure the person with an @gmail.com e-mail is the right person to send the gmail.com SSL certificate to. That could mean manually checking scanned copies of legal documents, making some phone calls, maybe even faxing or sending some things by post. Look at all these requirements Mozil…

Because I was commenting on the price for a dev certificate. There are already free ssl certificates for https that doesn't cost anything, or only 10 usd/year.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by Karunamon »

ryanbrunner wrote: post #115
tomjen3 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If not, why not include the option of a free cert for each windows/compiler download? That way even those who ship free software would sign it and thereby make windows safer. But of course MS isn't interested in that when they can get paid for it.

I'm sure a large part of the reason Microsoft wouldn't offer it for free is that, at the time, any effort on Microsoft's part to enter a new market off the back of an existing market would be scrutinized pretty heavily by the DOJ. They couldn't even add virus scanning functionality to Windows because of anti-trust concerns.

Uhh.. Microsoft security essentials?

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by simonbrown »

tomjen3 wrote: post #123
michaelt wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be a bit cheaper, but I'd hope SSL certificate vendors would be putting some work into identity verification. You know, making sure the person with an @gmail.com e-mail is the right person to send the gmail.com SSL certificate to. That could mean manually checking scanned copies of legal documents, making some phone calls, maybe even faxing or sending some things by post. Look at all these requirements Mozil…

Because I was commenting on the price for a dev certificate. There are already free ssl certificates for https that doesn't cost anything, or only 10 usd/year.

In that case, it is harder to provide. As far as I know, most SSL certificates just validate the domain name, while code signing certificates validate the developer/company identity.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by eli »

justindocanto wrote: post #37
gmurphy wrote: post #9

In general, not using the platform your users use is a path to trouble. For example, because so many designers in the valley use Macs, we continually have to fight an OS X bias in our design process; when designing something, you tend to calibrate it against what you're used to, but when OS X is only 5% of the market, OS X-based designers of client software end up with a massive blind spot when it comes to understand…

5% of 'the market' does not translate to 5% of users on your site. Depending on the site's demographic, as a developer, I see approx 15% Mac users making up traffic. Not to mention an ADDITIONAL 25% iPhone users. That's an average of 40% of apple traffic on the sites I work on. Some of which are getting 30k - 60k hits a month. Obviously this isnt the same stats across the board on all websites... but It is by no mean…

The point isn't whether there are 5% or 15% Mac users -- it's that you're ignoring 85%+ of non-Mac users.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by dllthomas »

yelloblac wrote: post #59
ben0x539 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly my point. This is clearly an issue of business and not "pride", so the whole "pride" argument to shame someone into a business decision is really questionable.

Well, clearly it would be an issue of "pride" if you'd be too proud to cave in to "certificate blackmail" as you call it.

I read that as a response to the parent - "If you are proud of your work, sign it" - pointing out that "pride" could reasonably cut either way, so it's a spurious argument in the first place.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by gergles »

redbeard0x0a wrote: post #15
jasomill wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gatekeeper is not nearly as bad for small developers, though. Unless Microsoft has started offering, as part of a $99 MSDN subscription, the ability to generate a signed certificate that doesn't expire for five years automatically from inside Visual Studio as soon as you've signed in with your Microsoft ID. The problem with Microsoft's strategy has always been the reliance on companies like VeriSign for whom recurrin…

Last I checked, you didn't even need the $99 Mac Developer program to get a signing certificate. You just needed an Apple Developer Id. The $99 program allows you to submit apps to the app store and gives you access to pre-release binaries, etc.

That's incorrect. The copy is:

"1. Getting your Developer ID. Mac Developer Program members can get their Developer ID now. If you’re not already a member, join today."

"Join today" links to https://developer.apple.com/programs/mac/, where they politely ask for their $99/year software development tax.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by tghw »

raam86 wrote: post #101

You have created the perfect layman meter. I can't of any of my friends or collegues who would even consider searching for such a program since in blurring can not be done. Didnt use your program but this can be proved mathamatically. These people will never use explorer and even if they would, They are the kind if crowd who actually reads error messages. On the other hand you have my grandma,aunt. Random old folks w…

If I'm understanding you correctly, you think only laypeople would search for such a thing because more knowledgeable people think that what the program is doing is mathematically impossible? Sounds like a classic example of thinking you know more than you do, and trying to look at the world as binary, black and white.

In actuality, images have a wide range of sharpness. In this case, Blurity can improve the image. (Using mathematics no less!) Will it be perfectly sharp? No, not always, but it will be better. And that's something people will pay for. Even experts.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by jiggy2011 »

gmurphy wrote: post #9

In general, not using the platform your users use is a path to trouble. For example, because so many designers in the valley use Macs, we continually have to fight an OS X bias in our design process; when designing something, you tend to calibrate it against what you're used to, but when OS X is only 5% of the market, OS X-based designers of client software end up with a massive blind spot when it comes to understand…

Platform choice and fragmentation is a pain in the ass.

I develop and maintain a bunch of sites. Majority of visitors are on Windows (Many using IE/WinXP).

Servers run Linux and I can never seem to get an accurate dev environment under Windows (some libraries don't seem to behave differently there).

Also a bunch of the front-end tools that I would like to use only run on Mac.

I don't really want to keep 3 uptodate computers.

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