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UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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> What happens in practice is, parties do control the government. There are these things called "whips". Also, voters watch national media and mostly vote based on the leadership, stated manifesto etc of each party at the national level. Don't patronise me. I'm fully aware of all of these things. But it doesn't actually change who we vote for. If you want Reform to have more MPs, they have to have locally electable M…

Interesting to even concede that Labour and Conservatives are basically the same, but no desire for third parties being able to enter. I'm definitely not a fan of Reform in particular, it's just highlighted the issue with new parties having no chance in the UK unless they are strongly local like the DUP or SNP. Geographic distribution seems to be the biggest factor in whether a person's vote is counted or not.

> Interesting to even concede that Labour and Conservatives are basically the same, but no desire for third parties being able to enter.

Did I? You're projecting.

I voted for a third party. And that third party candidate got elected. In one of the formerly safest Tory seats in the country. Because we wanted change and we are aware of the trends of our own local politics.

New parties have no chance because first time MPs -- of all parties -- have no chance. It's rare to get selected on your first try, or to get a winnable seat on your first try. Across all parties. Because it's a process that requires practice and proper infrastructure -- competent agents, competent support, competent canvassing.

So a new party will have to find exceptional candidates, or media-addicted fame chasers, or defectors who rarely get elected because defection is frowned upon, to get anywhere in its first general election campaign. By that measure, Reform did exceptionally well.

Everyone's vote gets counted. Everyone's vote has equal weight. The system, again, elects local representatives as its method of operation. If you want a local representative of your chosen party, find someone who is locally electable to run for that party. Or run yourself.

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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Ofcom is an independent regulator; it's far from the "first-party" you're implying it is.

Ofcom really isn't actually independent on Online Safety in any way. It has to obey instructions on prioritisation from the secretary of state and has no real operational flexibility. As with much of the (dire) UK legislation here, the government saying something is true until it is blue in the face does not make it true.

The Online Safety Act provides for Ofcom to develop its own codes of practice and guidelines based on the provisions of the act and public consultation (including with the platforms). It has an enormous amount of leeway in deciding how to implement the Act.

Ofcom has operational independence. Neither its investigations nor its enforcement actions are directly controlled by the Government. The Government does approve Codes of Practice but if it doesn't approve, it can only request modifications. It's still up to Ofcom to decide how to interpret and implement. Secretary of State interventions are, by convention, rare and subject to Parliamentary scrutiny.

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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I wonder what happens with these sorts of regulations if an entirely decentralized social media platform becomes popular. Who do the authorities go after if there's no owner or server?

Each server is moderated independently and if any nasty ones are allowed to fester they get shut down?

Imho the long term answer to these problems is trust networks and decentralised moderation. Howbwe get there.. dunno

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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how is it not popular support? or your point is that plurality is not enough? or that in a different voting system (alternate voting, ranked choice, etc..) the winner would be completely different?

Conservatives + Reform got more votes than Labour. More people voted against Labour than for them. In any other system they wouldn't have won, and at the very least wouldn't have a majority. The other thing to consider is that the electorate basically moved to the right in 2024 (Tory voters moved to Reform), but parliament shifted hard to the left.

The Online Safety Act came into being under a Conservative government.

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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Well, that links to EFF's own "propaganda" - perpetuating privacy at all costs. Inevitably the place law and regulation should is somewhere in between, balancing risk and striving for an acceptable position all things considered within a democratic framework.

Why is it inevitable that we should continually erode one's right to privacy?

Because pedophiles and terrorists exist and this is why we can't have nice things.

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> People in the UK will be better protected from illegal harms online What are these 'illegal harms'? I'm online 10+ hours a day for 10 years straight and never seen one. (not assuming they don't exist, but their prevalence/impact might be inflated). If you have to go looking for them, isn't this just 'whack a mole' (since 'online harms' will hard to 100% eradicate), but at the expense of destroying parts of the inte…

> What are these 'illegal harms'? I'm online 10+ hours a day for 10 years straight and never seen one. (not assuming they don't exist, but their prevalence/impact might be inflated).

As I understand things, MPs who are on Twitter regularly get anonymous threats of rape, murder etc https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63330885 - credible threats, with two MPs murdered in the last decade.

You and I have the luxury that we can just not be on Twitter - but when you're an MP, unless you're in a very safe seat you've got to meet voters where they are, not where you'd like them to be.

So from an MP's perspective? In one hand they've got a report about revenge porn, cyber-bullying, 4chan /pol/ and pro-anorexia facebook groups. In the other hand they've got their phone where someone's just told them to kill themselves.

They believe in these "illegal harms" because they've got a front row seat, and experience them on a daily basis.

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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> People in the UK will be better protected from illegal harms online What are these 'illegal harms'? I'm online 10+ hours a day for 10 years straight and never seen one. (not assuming they don't exist, but their prevalence/impact might be inflated). If you have to go looking for them, isn't this just 'whack a mole' (since 'online harms' will hard to 100% eradicate), but at the expense of destroying parts of the inte…

"What content promotes eating disorders?"

When I watch UK streaming services (ITVx) I get bombarded with adds for junkfood takaway services. The obesity promotions are just staggering. (Outside that I mostly watch YouTube with a premium sub, so maybe I'm just unaware as to how this compares to non UK media services)

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About banning ads for “certain types of porridge”: > …the majority of porridge, muesli and granola products will not be affected by the advertising restrictions but some less healthy versions (with added sugar, chocolate, syrup) could be affected. > Sometimes products may be marketed as, or perceived by consumers to be, healthy but in fact contain surprisingly high levels of saturated fat, salt or sugar. Source: http…

I know you think this is a gotcha but you're seriously advocating for the banning of advertisements of certain kinds of food? Based on the fact that what, some people aren't smart enough to read an ingredient label?

Yes. I'm radically anti-advertising so literally any ad whatsoever being removed is a net positive to me. But regardless:

Ads and marketing that paint extremely unhealthy foods as healthy are deceptive, to put it simple. I'm against deception, because then you're not making rational choices. Be that greenwashing, or predatory loans with misleading terms in big letters and hidden small print. I think this is not a bad principle to have.

Btw: we already made laws so that packs of tobacco went from having a cool cowboy on a horse to a picture of diseased gums on plain packaging. I think most people agree that has been a net positive.

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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It is already quite popular to regulate ads about certain edible substances. Nicotine, alcohol and drugs are some examples. Looks like certain ratios of sugar, sodium and saturated fats will qualify too, at least in the UK.

Apparently not gambling though, because the gambling lobby has greased the correct pockets.

So is that an argument for banning gambling ads as well, rather than not banning ads for unhealthy ultraprocessed foods?

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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> People in the UK will be better protected from illegal harms online What are these 'illegal harms'? I'm online 10+ hours a day for 10 years straight and never seen one. (not assuming they don't exist, but their prevalence/impact might be inflated). If you have to go looking for them, isn't this just 'whack a mole' (since 'online harms' will hard to 100% eradicate), but at the expense of destroying parts of the inte…

> What are these 'illegal harms'? I'm online 10+ hours a day for 10 years straight and never seen one. (not assuming they don't exist, but their prevalence/impact might be inflated). As I understand things, MPs who are on Twitter regularly get anonymous threats of rape, murder etc https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63330885 - credible threats, with two MPs murdered in the last decade. You and I have the luxury that we can…

Poor MPs. Being power hungry must really suck in the age of social media :(
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