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> Nothing because I’m a senior and LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test, and it remains a waste of time. I am constantly surprised how prevalent this attitude is. ChatGPT was only just released in 2022. Is there some expectation that these things won't improve? > LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test This is ego speaking.
ego? LLMs goof on basic math and cant even generate code for many non public things. theyre not useful to me whatsoever
Ask HN: SWEs how do you future-proof your career in light of LLMs?
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Re: Ask HN: SWEs how do you future-proof your career in light of LLMs?
#152Nothing because I’m a senior and LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test, and it remains a waste of time. I have a job at a place I love and get more people in my direct network and extended contacting me about work than ever before in my 20 year career. And finally I keep myself sharp by always making sure I challenge myself creatively. I’m not afraid to delve into areas to understand them that might look “…
> Nothing because I’m a senior and LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test, and it remains a waste of time. I am constantly surprised how prevalent this attitude is. ChatGPT was only just released in 2022. Is there some expectation that these things won't improve? > LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test This is ego speaking.
A human junior developer can learn from this tutoring and rarely regress over time. But the LLM’s all by design cannot and do not rewire their understanding of the problem space over time, nor do they remember examples and lessons from previous iterations to build upon. I have to handhold them forever, and they never learn.
Even when they use significant parts of the existing codebase as their context window they’re still blind to the whole reality and history of the code.
Now just to be clear, I do use LLM’s at my job. Just not to code. I use them to parse documents and assist users with otherwise repetitive manual tasks. I use their strength as language models to convert visual tokens parsed by an OCR to grasp the sentence structure and convert that into text segments which can be used more readily by users. At that they are incredible, even something smaller like llama 7b.
Re: Ask HN: SWEs how do you future-proof your career in light of LLMs?
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Nothing because I’m a senior and LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test, and it remains a waste of time. I am constantly surprised how prevalent this attitude is. ChatGPT was only just released in 2022. Is there some expectation that these things won't improve? > LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test This is ego speaking.
>> > LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test > This is ego speaking. Consider this, 100% of AI training data is human-generated content. Generally speaking, we apply the 90/10 rule to human generated content: 90% of (books, movies, tv shows, software applications, products available on Amazon) is not very good. 10% shines. In software development, I would say it's more like 99 to 1 after working in the indus…
A ton of huge business full of Sr Principal Architect SCRUM masters are about to get disrupted by 80 line ChatGPT wrappers hacked together by a few kids in their dorm room.
Re: Ask HN: SWEs how do you future-proof your career in light of LLMs?
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Nothing because I’m a senior and LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test, and it remains a waste of time. I am constantly surprised how prevalent this attitude is. ChatGPT was only just released in 2022. Is there some expectation that these things won't improve? > LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test This is ego speaking.
> > LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test > This is ego speaking. That's been my experience of LLM-generated code that people have submitted to open source projects I work on. It's all been crap. Some of it didn't even compile. Some of it changed comments that were previously correct to say something untrue. I've yet to see a single PR that implemented something useful.
Re: Ask HN: SWEs how do you future-proof your career in light of LLMs?
#155Re: Ask HN: SWEs how do you future-proof your career in light of LLMs?
#156Nothing because I’m a senior and LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test, and it remains a waste of time. I have a job at a place I love and get more people in my direct network and extended contacting me about work than ever before in my 20 year career. And finally I keep myself sharp by always making sure I challenge myself creatively. I’m not afraid to delve into areas to understand them that might look “…
> But I think that’s generations away at best. I'm not sure whether you mean human generations or LLM generations, but I think it's the latter. In that case, I agree with you, but also that doesn't seem to put you particularly far off from OP, who didn't provide specific timelines but also seems to be indicating that the elimination of most engineers is still a little ways away. Since we're seeing a new generation of…
I don’t think that’s impossible but I think we’re quite a few human generations away from that. And scaling LLM’s is not the solution to that problem; an LLM is just a small but important part of it.
Re: Ask HN: SWEs how do you future-proof your career in light of LLMs?
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Nothing because I’m a senior and LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test, and it remains a waste of time. I am constantly surprised how prevalent this attitude is. ChatGPT was only just released in 2022. Is there some expectation that these things won't improve? > LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test This is ego speaking.
ego? LLMs goof on basic math and cant even generate code for many non public things. theyre not useful to me whatsoever
Sure, I can ask for it to write (wrong) boilerplate but it is hardly where work ends. It is up to me to spend the time doing careful due diligence at each and every step. I could ask for it to patch each mistake but, again, it relies on a trained, skillful, many times formally educated domain expert on the other end puppeteering the generative copywriter.
For the many cases where computer programming is similar to writing boilerplate, it could indeed be quite useful but I find the long tail of domain expertises will always be outside the reach of data-driven statistical learners.
Re: Ask HN: SWEs how do you future-proof your career in light of LLMs?
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Nothing because I’m a senior and LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test, and it remains a waste of time. I am constantly surprised how prevalent this attitude is. ChatGPT was only just released in 2022. Is there some expectation that these things won't improve? > LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test This is ego speaking.
>> > LLM’s never provide code that pass my sniff test > This is ego speaking. Consider this, 100% of AI training data is human-generated content. Generally speaking, we apply the 90/10 rule to human generated content: 90% of (books, movies, tv shows, software applications, products available on Amazon) is not very good. 10% shines. In software development, I would say it's more like 99 to 1 after working in the indus…
The possible outcome space is not binary (at least in the near term), i.e. either AI replace devs, or it doesn't.
What I'm getting at is this: There's a pervasive attitude among some developers (generally older developers, in my experience) that LLM's are effectively useless. If we're being objective, that is quite plainly not true.
These conversations tend to start out with something like: "Well _my_ work in particular is so complex that LLM's couldn't possibly assist."
As the conversation grows, the tone gradually changes to admitting: "Yes there are some portions of a codebase where LLM's can be helpful, but they can't do _everything_ that an experienced dev does."
It should not even be controversial to say, that AI will only improve at this task. That's what technology does, over the long run.
Fundamentally, there's ego involved whenever someone says "LLM's have _never_ produced useable code." That statement, is provably false.
Re: Ask HN: SWEs how do you future-proof your career in light of LLMs?
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
ego? LLMs goof on basic math and cant even generate code for many non public things. theyre not useful to me whatsoever
LLMs aren't supposed to do basic math, but be chat agents. Wolfram Alpha can't do chat.
Re: Ask HN: SWEs how do you future-proof your career in light of LLMs?
#160Make no mistake. All globalists — Musks, Altmans, Grahams, A16Zs, Trump supporting CEOs, Democrats — have one goal. MAKE MORE PROFIT.
The real question is — can you make more money than using LLM?
Therefore, the question is not whether there will be impact. There will absolutely will be impact. Will it be Doomsday scenario? No, unless you are completely out of touch — which can happen to a large population.