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How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by batgaijin »

CrazedGeek wrote: post #50
batgaijin wrote: post #45

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I have an android 3. Never updated it, never customized anything. This phone is so terribly broken and nonfundtional at times you wouldn't believe me. I decided against focusing on android mobile dev (although I'm a gnu/linux gguy because the experience is so friggin terrible, and Google is just letting the carriers molest the users at this point.

Considering that Android 3.0 was never on phones... If you mean Gingerbread (2.3), it was always rock solid when I used it. So no, I don't believe you.

Hah meant droid 3

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by antidoh »

chris_wot wrote: post #64
MichaelApproved wrote: post #35

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This is one of those times I miss the upvote counter on HN. I think it's important for the makers of StartSSL to see just how many people agree with you that their interface completely sucks. Without the counter, it just seems like one person's opinion while I bet many people agree.

HN is not there for the marketing purposes of companies.

HN and all other web sites are there for whatever purposes their users wish to use it for, within the constraints of whatever actions are implemented on a site.

This is one of the things that infuriates me about StackOverflow and its army of article closing moderators. A real community will change its practices and perceptions over time according to the needs of the community. If you have a subset of people who decide what a site is for, forever and ever without change, then it's not a community, it's a cast. Or it's a system of castes.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by yuhong »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #66
hobin wrote: post #40

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I'm unfamiliar with many of these certificates, but is there any reason such 'scamware' woudln't be able to get one even though it costs money? Because, if they still can, they the whole certification business definitely seems like a big scam to me.

When you pay money - you are leaving money trace which is likely to bite you if your product hurts people.

Yea, the SmartScreen filter is based on the reputation of the publisher, and the certificate is used to identify the publisher for this purpose.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by jfoutz »

gmurphy wrote: post #9

In general, not using the platform your users use is a path to trouble. For example, because so many designers in the valley use Macs, we continually have to fight an OS X bias in our design process; when designing something, you tend to calibrate it against what you're used to, but when OS X is only 5% of the market, OS X-based designers of client software end up with a massive blind spot when it comes to understand…

Really depends on how you divide up the market. Mac users will pay a lot for perceived quality, and they will buy upgrades. I'd point you at Wil Shipley's arguments. It might be a lot easier to get $50 from a mac user, or it might be easier to get $5 from 10 windows users. They're just very different. Doing a half assed job on either side isn't going to win you any fans.

But, yeah, if half your money comes from windows, you should really focus on windows, The growth potential there is just staggering.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by josephcooney »

einhverfr wrote: post #46
justindocanto wrote: post #37

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5% of 'the market' does not translate to 5% of users on your site. Depending on the site's demographic, as a developer, I see approx 15% Mac users making up traffic. Not to mention an ADDITIONAL 25% iPhone users. That's an average of 40% of apple traffic on the sites I work on. Some of which are getting 30k - 60k hits a month. Obviously this isnt the same stats across the board on all websites... but It is by no mean…

Indeed. According to Google, something like 39% of viewers on my blog are running Windows and 9% are running IE. There are more Mac and Linux users together than there are Windows users.... Somehow I don't think this translates to the general market.

Right. This was a few years ago, but a major web-site that I was involved with (+1M visitors per day) had more people running windows 3.1 than Linux.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by einhverfr »

josephcooney wrote: post #75
einhverfr wrote: post #46

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Indeed. According to Google, something like 39% of viewers on my blog are running Windows and 9% are running IE. There are more Mac and Linux users together than there are Windows users.... Somehow I don't think this translates to the general market.

Right. This was a few years ago, but a major web-site that I was involved with (+1M visitors per day) had more people running windows 3.1 than Linux.

I suspect it depends on your audience. My audience is not consumers, but PostgreSQL and Perl folks, so Windows is going to be under-represented.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by recursive »

batgaijin wrote: post #45
gmurphy wrote: post #9

In general, not using the platform your users use is a path to trouble. For example, because so many designers in the valley use Macs, we continually have to fight an OS X bias in our design process; when designing something, you tend to calibrate it against what you're used to, but when OS X is only 5% of the market, OS X-based designers of client software end up with a massive blind spot when it comes to understand…

I have an android 3. Never updated it, never customized anything. This phone is so terribly broken and nonfundtional at times you wouldn't believe me. I decided against focusing on android mobile dev (although I'm a gnu/linux gguy because the experience is so friggin terrible, and Google is just letting the carriers molest the users at this point.

I use android 2.3 and it works perfectly.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by andreyf »

josephcooney wrote: post #75
einhverfr wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. According to Google, something like 39% of viewers on my blog are running Windows and 9% are running IE. There are more Mac and Linux users together than there are Windows users.... Somehow I don't think this translates to the general market.

Right. This was a few years ago, but a major web-site that I was involved with (+1M visitors per day) had more people running windows 3.1 than Linux.

Windows 3.1, really?

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by jmboling »

If you care about your product you have to draw a line somewhere. The more developers that take a stance and don't support the criminal negligence of IE's support of broadly accepted standards the sooner we can all eliminate needless time costs of making sites agnostic to the point of stupidity.

Re: How not using Internet Explorer put me out of touch and cost me dearly

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Post by achal »

gmurphy wrote: post #9

In general, not using the platform your users use is a path to trouble. For example, because so many designers in the valley use Macs, we continually have to fight an OS X bias in our design process; when designing something, you tend to calibrate it against what you're used to, but when OS X is only 5% of the market, OS X-based designers of client software end up with a massive blind spot when it comes to understand…

> font and font size choices

Agreed. I don't know if it's just me, but Helvetica looks rather bad on Windows. I've found that Segoe UI almost always looks more pleasing, and yet Helvetica is omnipresent on the web (partially because of Twitter bootstrap).

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