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UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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Better alternative to first-party propaganda: https://www.eff.org/pages/uk-online-safety-bill-massive-thre...

Ofcom is an independent regulator; it's far from the "first-party" you're implying it is.

there is no quango in the UK that is independent, they are all, without exception "independent" with an implied nudge and a wink.

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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My problem with all of these sorts of things is the idea of who determines “harmful.” Because that’s a term of such ambiguity that it could literally mean anything.

“Covid came from a Chinese lab” — “harmful because it causes ‘racism’”

“Pakistani grooming gangs in Rotherham are targeting young British girls” — harmful because it could promote social unrest.

“Eating meat can improve metabolic health” — harmful because it promotes behaviors that contribute heavily to climate change.

“Young motorcycle racers should be allowed to train on big tracks before the age of 16” — harmful because it promotes a ‘dangerous’ sport to kids.

I could go on and you could replace whatever I said to whatever you want to say and depending on who is the arbiter of “harmful,” that speech could be regulated in a way that creates criminals out of simply stating facts or opinions.

If the lead up to WW2 were today, if these regulations existed, then suggesting that a Germans in the U.K. were a national security risk could get you in trouble for “promoting harmful stereotypes about German people.”

In my mind, if we are to regulate speech at all, it should have a very very strict standard as to what speech is demonstrably harmful rather than politically uncomfortable. I’m not an Alex Jones fan at all, but for example, nobody died from anything he said, people have been offended and perhaps disgusted, but the ramblings of a conspiracy theorist aren’t causing anyone actual harm. In the US, we have libel and slander laws, we also have laws against speech that cause an imminent threat of danger — but we should never have laws that protect people from being offended, or even misinformed. We have websites supporting Chinese Traditional Medicine despite some practices in that field being demonstrably harmful and contrary to modern medical science — should those be banned? I would think most people would say not.

This online “safety” regulation is really a regulation to regulate political speech under the guise of “protecting the children.”

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

#14

Better alternative to first-party propaganda: https://www.eff.org/pages/uk-online-safety-bill-massive-thre...

Ofcom is an independent regulator; it's far from the "first-party" you're implying it is.

This is a press release, though. Whether or not Ofcom is independent, their press release writers are not independent, they are part of Ofcom's PR team, a team that absolutely exists.

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

#15

Better alternative to first-party propaganda: https://www.eff.org/pages/uk-online-safety-bill-massive-thre...

Ofcom is an independent regulator; it's far from the "first-party" you're implying it is.

The Q in Quango stands for Quasi.

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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My problem with all of these sorts of things is the idea of who determines “harmful.” Because that’s a term of such ambiguity that it could literally mean anything. “Covid came from a Chinese lab” — “harmful because it causes ‘racism’” “Pakistani grooming gangs in Rotherham are targeting young British girls” — harmful because it could promote social unrest. “Eating meat can improve metabolic health” — harmful because…

Such a trend can only be stopped by reciprocity: if the "harmfuls" were mis-judged, who is responsible to pay for the damage? Tax-payers?

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My problem with all of these sorts of things is the idea of who determines “harmful.” Because that’s a term of such ambiguity that it could literally mean anything. “Covid came from a Chinese lab” — “harmful because it causes ‘racism’” “Pakistani grooming gangs in Rotherham are targeting young British girls” — harmful because it could promote social unrest. “Eating meat can improve metabolic health” — harmful because…

> In the US

Wrong thread, you should be posting in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42427132 "US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from app stores Jan. 19"

Re: UK's Online Safety Act comes into force

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The steady march towards authoritarianism continues. Is there any way that we can overwhelm them?

Vote.

People say as a pithy answer and it is very frustrating. Unfortunately it is utterly unrealistic that voting will solve this situation.

1) The majority of the UK's populace are onboard with the vast majority of these laws. Even if all the people that opposed this voted for another party, due to how the constituencies work, your vote will be effectively made moot.

2) Both major UK parties essentially agree that these laws should be implemented. The only solution to any problem that UK government can envisage is banning something. You can look into the Lotus Carlton ram raids of 40RR, they were singing the same tune back in the late 80s/early 90s.

3) There is no realistic pro-liberty / anti-censorship movement at all in the UK

This has been going for longer than I have been alive in the UK (I am now in my early 40s). I am not an anarchist, but I've heard the phrase repeated by anarchists of "You cannot vote yourself free". The only way to resist such laws is to subvert them via technology.

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