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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by xbmcuser »

soramimo wrote: post #65
exabrial wrote: post #55

As grating as this is to freedom of expression, I’ve been annoyed enough times by ‘tok’ers doing crap like I dunno, licking ice cream buckets in supermarkets, I’m also looking forward to that going away for a few months till the next thing replaces it. Unfortunately, this is pretty bad precedent. While I love my country, these sorts of decisions are as federal level are pretty scary and I question whether the governm…

Counter point, how is letting the primary adversarial power (which happens to be an authoritarian regime) massively influence the political views of the future generation a good idea? It sounds to me like the federal government is doing its job here.

Being authoritarian is the excuse though the only real reason is that it's threat to US economic and political supremacy in the world.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by macintux »

mock-possum wrote: post #72
soramimo wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter point, how is letting the primary adversarial power (which happens to be an authoritarian regime) massively influence the political views of the future generation a good idea? It sounds to me like the federal government is doing its job here.

I guess because there will always be avenues for powers to influence people - rather than slapping a bandaid over the problem, we should address the root cause - a credulous population that refuses to think critically about the media it consumes.

That’s a project that would take generations, and meanwhile, the federal Department of Education that could coordinate such a project is on the chopping block.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by wordofx »

betaby wrote: post #47
xnx wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are Huawei backdoors part of the active telecom control that China has in the US networks currently? TikTok seems much more benign.

> Are Huawei backdoors part of the active telecom control that China has in the US networks currently? No. There were audits and fond no backdoors in Huawei equipment.

Huawei has a history of spying. China is good at spending money to sweep things under the rug and pretend like it didn’t happen. Look how they are using it to spread propaganda STILL to this day that Covid didn’t originate in Wuhan.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by abeppu »

gpm wrote: post #82
polski-g wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiktok servers will be banned at the T1 carrier level, probably.

Do you have a source that the act is being interpreted by the government to include prohibiting network operators from serving traffic? That definitely seems like it would be a stretch given the text of the act The act prohibits > (A) Providing services to distribute, maintain, or update such foreign adversary controlled application (including any source code of such application) by means of a marketplace (including…

The "and not be allowed to host content on US servers" is kinda funny as a requirement in context. Prior to the law being passed IIUC TikTok had already put in a bunch of work to make sure American data was stored in the US, with a US cloud vendor, with access controls, which were to demonstrate that this data was not accessible to the Chinese. Serving in the US, with big US cloud partner was meant to be a way to create confidence. If TikTok ends up being a webapp for US users, with our data definitely not in the US ... isn't that worse?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by OWMYT »

macintux wrote: post #89
geor9e wrote: post #81

Apple and Google control exactly what data apps can possibly harvest, via their OS permissions. There are millions of apps on their app stores. If apps are acting like spyware then the government should pressure Apple and Google to fix the issue at the OS level. Otherwise it's just whack-a-mole.

Apple and Google can only control the data shared via the operating system. They can’t control what user behaviors that applications record on the server.

Yeah, it doesn't matter that much if people are voluntarily giving away as many data as possible to an adversarial authoritarian regime. Still, it is disingenuous of Apple to justify its iron grip on iOS apps as a privacy protection measure when it leaves open widely abused API's for years that its users have no way of opting out.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by nikolas- »

xnx wrote: post #36

1) Excellent way to teach millions of people about sideloading overnight. This could be a big win for Android (where sideloading is easy) vs. iPhone were sideloading is impossible (? or only possible only with an annual dev license?) 2) Will this affect apps like CapCut and Lemon8 too?

> 2) Will this affect apps like CapCut and Lemon8 too?

Both, the bill lists any "website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or immersive technology application that is operated, directly or indirectly" by ByteDance, which controls CapCut and Lemon8.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by solaarphunk »

supernetworks_ wrote: post #42

Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp

Americans can definitely invest into most Chinese tech companies- the exception is direct investments into non-tech, licensed companies, that require a VIE structure, which enables Americans to still invest.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by tivert »

geor9e wrote: post #81

Apple and Google control exactly what data apps can possibly harvest, via their OS permissions. There are millions of apps on their app stores. If apps are acting like spyware then the government should pressure Apple and Google to fix the issue at the OS level. Otherwise it's just whack-a-mole.

> If apps are acting like spyware then the government should pressure Apple and Google to fix the issue at the OS level.

If you think that's the issue, you're mistaken or confused.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by est »

polski-g wrote: post #67
xnx wrote: post #36

1) Excellent way to teach millions of people about sideloading overnight. This could be a big win for Android (where sideloading is easy) vs. iPhone were sideloading is impossible (? or only possible only with an annual dev license?) 2) Will this affect apps like CapCut and Lemon8 too?

Tiktok servers will be banned at the T1 carrier level, probably.

that requires a firewall at the border.
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