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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by hyperpape »

bdangubic wrote: post #4
nadermx wrote: post #2

Bizarre, in the land of free speech the government is suppressing it.

Land of free speech? Maybe in like a John Wayne movie was this ever true… Like you know other parts of Bill or “Rights” like “prohibiting unreasonable searches and seizures” except like your toothpaste at the airport… Americans are generally too funny thinking it is still “land of the free”

> Land of free speech? Maybe in like a John Wayne movie was this ever true…

What country would you say has stronger free speech protections than the US? I won't say there's none, because there are roughly 200 countries, and I don't know enough about many of them, but I cannot name one.

Not the UK, France or Germany, and I'd be surprised to find any other European country.

For a sampling of other laws/measures:

  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insult_(legal)
  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9
  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law
  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press#/media/File:World_Map_of_the_Freedom_of_the_Press_Status,_OWID.svg
Now...if this ban sticks, it will make your snark a lot more valid, starting with the year 2025.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

bdangubic wrote: post #8
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should be more like China then? I’m confused.

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China doesn’t officially block any American social media. If you ask your Chinese ISP they say it’s just technical problems. There is probably a list somewhere that is considered a state secret, like the list of banned words and banned books. You do not want to cross China’s broad state secrets law by even pretending to know.

Anyways, China should feel proud that this is the first social media app from China that the Americans thought was worth banning. And in China you know that if something is worth banning it must be good right?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by [deleted] »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #10
nadermx wrote: post #2

Bizarre, in the land of free speech the government is suppressing it.

"Free speech" is not like the free square in Bingo. You can't just use it whenever. Commerce is already regulated, speech is already regulated, there's no way around those things not being absolute. If you have a specific argument about the nuance of this situation, then make it.

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by nadermx »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #10
nadermx wrote: post #2

Bizarre, in the land of free speech the government is suppressing it.

"Free speech" is not like the free square in Bingo. You can't just use it whenever. Commerce is already regulated, speech is already regulated, there's no way around those things not being absolute. If you have a specific argument about the nuance of this situation, then make it.

"the Act, as construed and applied, is unconstitutional, since it imposes on the addressee an affirmative obligation which amounts to an unconstitutional limitation of his rights under the First Amendment."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamont_v._Postmaster_General

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#15

Post by toomuchtodo »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #7
talldayo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironic how the EU comes out on top for acknowledging sideloading as a fundamental feature of smartphones. It will take the "it's a series of tubes" guys quite some time to figure that one out.

I think the main problem will be TikTok to conduct business in America, charge for ads to target American users and pay American content providers. It’s just a free app if they can’t earn money on it.

God, I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it’s the perfect use case for crypto to avoid US payment rail controls. Get a16z on the phone, he said with less sarcasm than one would expect.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by bdangubic »

hyperpape wrote: post #11
bdangubic wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Land of free speech? Maybe in like a John Wayne movie was this ever true… Like you know other parts of Bill or “Rights” like “prohibiting unreasonable searches and seizures” except like your toothpaste at the airport… Americans are generally too funny thinking it is still “land of the free”

> Land of free speech? Maybe in like a John Wayne movie was this ever true… What country would you say has stronger free speech protections than the US? I won't say there's none, because there are roughly 200 countries, and I don't know enough about many of them, but I cannot name one. Not the UK, France or Germany, and I'd be surprised to find any other European country. For a sampling of other laws/measures: - http…

it is not snark, I am European living most of my adult life in the US and I have had more than one laugh over the years with “we are land of the free”

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #15
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the main problem will be TikTok to conduct business in America, charge for ads to target American users and pay American content providers. It’s just a free app if they can’t earn money on it.

God, I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it’s the perfect use case for crypto to avoid US payment rail controls. Get a16z on the phone, he said with less sarcasm than one would expect.

Using crypto doesn’t somehow make you immune to prosecution. If the government says TikTok is banned, no company’s chief counsel is going to suggest getting around the ban by using bitcoin.
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