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The Death of the Stubborn Developer

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Re: The Death of the Stubborn Developer

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I think he's right, and I hate it. I'm also depressed by his endgame, which he glosses over - LLMs prevent the gradual buildup of expertise through hard, repeated, work. All our handwriting (and hell, even our grammar) is basically trash, because who can be arsed putting in the time to write beautifully with a pen when you can just fling out an email? LLMs will cause an analogous decline in code and coders - every co…

> LLMs will cause an analogous decline in code and coders - every codebase a cesspit of messy mediocrity in outputs, authors, and professional culture.

and we will be paid (a lot) to make them barely work. Most car owners can’t fixes their cars and the ones that destroys theirs are the ones that pay the biggest bills

Re: The Death of the Stubborn Developer

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> In my blog post I called this phenomenon Chat-Oriented Programming, CHOP for short (or just chop). Chop isn’t just the future, it’s the present. And if you’re not using it, you’re starting to fall behind the ones who are. > I’m going to stop qualifying this assertion as my opinion, because at this point it is entering into well-established fact territory. Ok one of these guys, moving on...

Well I wouldn't dismiss the article fully, but I agree a proper product demo showing a real session of this CHat Oriented Programming on a real project would go a long way removing the whiff of snake oil there. My experience has been meh: LLMs let me enter unknown domains and get started, but a very large part of the LLM-generated code gets dumped once the right abstractions have been clarified.

> Well I wouldn't dismiss the article fully

the article is trash, but the HN discussion is great, both trashing the low quality of the content and discussing why it’s trash

Re: The Death of the Stubborn Developer

#23
Honnestly the only developer I think are any good at their job are the stubborn ones. They are the ones that spend the extra time to learn something new. They also do stuff right because they spend the time to solve the problem. Not just patch it up.

Re: The Death of the Stubborn Developer

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> We’ve managed to narrow it down to a single principle: You are getting left behind if you do not adopt chat-based programming as your primary modality.

Cool, so I guess I'm going to start planning to leave the tech industry if CHOP becomes a ting because that isn't programming, and even if it is, the person entering the prompts is just a placeholder.

This is this generations "boomer" problem, but a million times worse. (Highly paid engineers with money in the bank bolstered an industry that simultaneously lets them work less while destroying upward mobility for the next generation after them.)

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