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Re: Facebook Blames Email Problems On User "Confusion"

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Post by jmathai »

damncabbage wrote: post #117
jmathai wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yahoo didn't even use Yahoo! Mail which is much much much better than Facebook Messages. It was mainly because a lot of people were comfortable with Exchange and the Calendar integration. They tried Zimbra without success. At least they use Yahoo! Messenger internally.

During my time there a lot of the Engineers used Google Search, and a local Jabber install for IM because Y! Messenger was that ad-filled and painful to use. (Maybe my experience was limited to a pocket within Yahoo!)

Yes, by Yahoo! Messenger I just meant the protocol and servers. I used Adium, personally.

I also used Google Search though I would try Yahoo! search every couple months. I don't believe the search engine is that much worse but I'd become accustomed to searching Google and understanding the results.

Re: Facebook Blames Email Problems On User "Confusion"

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Post by codemac »

swang wrote: post #107
codemac wrote: post #52

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Because anything not from someone in my Facebook friends list is spam? Jesus, why didn't any of these anti-spam devices, programs, companies, etc think of it! We'll just make a per user white list and be done with it! Oh wait, that's a horrible idea, and you should feel bad.

I have no idea what you're actually referring to. I never said everything in the Other page is spam. I am saying they decided to dump any message that isn't your friend or (friend of friend) into the Others page, which solved for them problem of users seeing "spam" in their Messages page but created other problems.

You may never say that everything in the Other page is spam, but if you present moving all messages not from friends into a folder called Other to solve the spam problem...

Either you're going to have a horrible false positive rate or a horrible false negative rate, because sender email address is a really poor feature to determine spam from ham.

Re: Facebook Blames Email Problems On User "Confusion"

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

DanBC wrote: post #67
seiji wrote: post #22

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Enough of this conquer-the-universe bullshit. Their end goal is to be the entire Internet in a curated show-you-only-what-you-agree-with-so-you-click-on-more-things model. They won't stop or slow down until something else makes them irrelevant.

That model didn't work for AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy, etc etc. But they were all networks that provided access to the wider Internet. It's really weird to see Facebook working the other way round - a tiny company growing huge and grabbing more and more of the wider Internet. What next? Facebook Video? Facebook VOIP?

>That model didn't work for AOL //

Over it's lifetime I think AOL made quite a lot of money. Just because something comes to an end doesn't mean that it "didn't work".

They apparently currently have a market cap of 2.6 billion so many years after their heyday I'm amazed they're still going.

Re: Facebook Blames Email Problems On User "Confusion"

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Post by SoftwareMaven »

brownbat wrote: post #64
SoftwareMaven wrote: post #27

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Facebook's apps will no longer be on any of my mobile devices. They've proven that I can't trust them without a browser sandbox between me and them.

I'd say 'me too,' but I can't actually delete their app from my Sprint Evo. Well played, Facebook. Well played.

I hope iOS doesn't force a FB profile with iOS 6.

Re: Facebook Blames Email Problems On User "Confusion"

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Post by DanBC »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #153
DanBC wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That model didn't work for AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy, etc etc. But they were all networks that provided access to the wider Internet. It's really weird to see Facebook working the other way round - a tiny company growing huge and grabbing more and more of the wider Internet. What next? Facebook Video? Facebook VOIP?

> That model didn't work for AOL // Over it's lifetime I think AOL made quite a lot of money. Just because something comes to an end doesn't mean that it "didn't work". They apparently currently have a market cap of 2.6 billion so many years after their heyday I'm amazed they're still going.

Yes, you're right.

I'm not quite sure how to word what I want to say.

The model of having a small contained network, with users doing everything on your computers, with a bit of access to the wider Internet, failed.

That's what AOL used to be. That model failed for AOL, and they converted to general ISP.

The electronic landscape in 1998 will be surprising to many people today - especially the eye watering prices.

(http://i53.tinypic.com/2janfrd.jpg)

My favourite quote from that page:

> "This is the computer industry as it used to be: people sharing ideas and solutions without the greed and grit with associated with today's corporate driven, litigation-laced, industry"

(remember this was written 23 years ago).

And so now, looking at Facebook, I see some similar features. They have their own email; their own "CB simulator"; etc.

Re: Facebook Blames Email Problems On User "Confusion"

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Post by brownbat »

gnaritas wrote: post #86
brownbat wrote: post #71

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I'm not sure how these semantic distinctions affect the argument. Replace the "friends" in his original post with "acquaintances," and his point stands. Facebook is useful as a long term rolodex.

> Replace the "friends" in his original post with "acquaintances," and his point stands. That's changing the argument, those words mean totally different things. My point is, Facebook makes keeping in touch with acquaintances easy, but isn't necessary to keep in touch with actual friends. Friends are people you see outside of Facebook.

> That's changing the argument, those words mean totally different things.

Sure, you're concerned he was using "friends" too loosely. I'm saying you should give him a pass. It's of course up to you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

Re: Facebook Blames Email Problems On User "Confusion"

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Post by brownbat »

fluidcruft wrote: post #101
brownbat wrote: post #64

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I'd say 'me too,' but I can't actually delete their app from my Sprint Evo. Well played, Facebook. Well played.

Settings > Accounts > (select facebook account) > Remove account Settings > Applications > Manage Applications > All > Facebook > Clear data & Clear cache

For me, that just clears the data the application uses, not the app itself.

Re: Facebook Blames Email Problems On User "Confusion"

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Post by fluidcruft »

brownbat wrote: post #157
fluidcruft wrote: post #101

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Settings > Accounts > (select facebook account) > Remove account Settings > Applications > Manage Applications > All > Facebook > Clear data & Clear cache

For me, that just clears the data the application uses, not the app itself.

The steps will disable facebook. Unless you're on ICS or rooted, there's nothing else you can do (except perhaps install a launcher that lets you hide apps--out of sight/out of mind).
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